Lucy Letby looking to appeal her convictions

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How on earth does she think that's going to go?

Lucy Letby to appeal

(MSN link from the Telegraph)

I can't see what grounds she would have after a 10 month trial with all the evidence against her. And who would take her on as a client?

This is true

But the Judge can rule that certain evidence be disallowed/not disclosed to the Court and this can be challenged in the Court of Appeal

My guess is that it must be so fundamental to the case that it would call into question all 14 verdicts - so something like the rota which showed she was always present at events or how the cases were chosen/Dewi Evans role in that - both of which were part of the defence case

That's my guess anyway - only a guess

thats between the legal experts, i havent a clue,

The majority of babies that died would still have been there after the unit was downgraded, bar Baby K all were doing well and were well on the way to going home.

In terms of the other deaths, there was a very quick still on the Panaroma program and it showed two other deaths - one was a genetic abnormality (so presumably incompatible with life) and the other was HIE which sadly was due to an incident shortly before or during birth. So some they could rule out as having a 'natural' occurrence. (As in not suspicious, there is nothing natural about a baby dying)

@GinAndJuice99 is confusing neonatal deaths with perinatal deaths [late miscarriages, stillbirths, failed resus at birth]

Very high unexplained rate of perinatal deaths at COCH which did not decrease after LL left the NICU

There are some awful graphs circulating which attribute the 9 deaths to the NICU rather than Obstetrics

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or does it come naturally? We know the defence instructed medical expert witnesses because they were involved in pre-trial discussions and they were referred to in the opening speech.

If the babies had insulinoma the symptoms wouldn't have disappeared within hours.

Not a great advert at all.

www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/local-news/countess-chester-hospital-spent-11m-5173168

It's not great - but ....

Between 2009 and 2012 the hospital trust spent millions of pounds paying off patients and defending their services after claims were made following allegations of misdiagnosis, delays in treatment and complications in surgery.

This ended 3 years before they employed a serial killer nurse.

Totally unrelated.

I don't know how this compares to other hospitals of a similar size/population for the same period? Have you seen the CQC reports for COCH which are pretty poor?

But £11 million over 3 years will pale into insignificance compared to the compensation anticipated for Letbys victims of £50-£60 million with approx half of that going to Baby G

They just keep coming, there are more.

www.fieldfisher.com/en/injury-claims/case-studies/8m-settlement-in-medical-negligence-claim

From what I know of the case, much of the evidence was circumstantial and her notes are not proof of the crime.

Baby N a catalogue of ineptitude and blunders, startlingly similar to abject incompetence, that killed baby Noah Robertson in 2014.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23366941.lucy-letby-unusual-presence-blood-throat-baby/

baby Noah Robinson.

What is the relevance of a case involving negligence in obstetric care several years ago?

You can find similar reports about a large number of hospitals. They don't seem to go on to have sudden spikes in deaths and serious incidents in unrelated departments. Of course, that may well be because they've been fortunate enough not to have homicidal nurses on the staff.

The idea of you accusing others of being obtuse is, somewhat ironic.

" What is the relevance of a case involving negligence in obstetric care several years ago?"

Obstetric cases happen all the time.

This thread is awful. The parents of the victims could be reading this.

You seem strangely reluctant to explain how this can possibly be relevant. Are you seriously trying to suggest that it could provide LL with appeal grounds? I suppose it would at least give the judge a good laugh.

Oh here we go - run out of facts so resort to insult.

Are all of those court settlements and cases from the one hospital, if so it would appear to have endemic problems, over here the insurers would pull insurance from it, far to big a risk.

Good that someone immediately sees the relevance👍

Those lawyers are ambulance chasers. They specialise in medical negligence cases. Their website will always show a very skewed picture. The NHS has its own insurance scheme which can’t refuse to insure any hospital. I’m guessing that “over here” is the US which we definitely shouldn’t be aspiring to emulate.

They are damn well not ambulance chasers. Lucky to have never had poor care or your baby maimed. Do you have any idea how hard it is to prove medical negligence? If there's a pay out then the NHS fucked up big time

The NHS insurance provider is the taxpayer, another free ride for a not fit for purpose entity.

It worries me that people on here think that there should be no right to appeal.

If you were found guilty of something you'd not done, you'd be really glad to be able to appeal. That also means that people who are guilty, can appeal. That's the way it works.

It isn’t. It works in exactly the same way as any other insurance company.