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Morbidly Obese - help?!

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 13/09/2023 17:07

I'd really love some support from anyone who has been here or who has knowledge in this area.

I am very overweight and really need to get a handle on it.

I would really like to try to avoid surgery although I suspect I would qualify.

Is there any help I can access?

Or what has helped people? its so different tryong to lose10 stone to 2! I am so ashamed its got this bad but I want to change.

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 16/09/2023 17:54

So remedy kombucha has stevie and erythitol in it. Do we go with that for 1 glass a day?

Or do we think if I'm having that every day it will cause a heart attack (shouldn't have googled erythitol - I'm scared of blood clots) .

Or overall benefits outweigh risks amd I'm not drinking alcohol so go for it!?

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 16/09/2023 18:15

Wow I waited until dinner instead of snacking (I know that's normal for normal people) but I'm about to have dinner and really looking forwards to it!

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 16/09/2023 18:29

Well done - that's a great start to the plan.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

rataverse · 16/09/2023 20:11

I've ordered a mixed case from loving foods. It seems expensive but then I remember it's cheaper than physio/counselling and it's real food!

I think their sauerkraut is nicer than the stuff I used to make myself, with cabbages from the allotment. They somehow manage to keep theirs a bit crispy, with a tang, mine tended to get a lot limper and less fresh tasting. Probably due to better temperature control during the process.

Loving Foods have a loyalty scheme where they give you “gut bugs” for every purchase, which can then be spent on buying stuff, but they can’t be used to pay for subscriptions. They also gave me extra gut bugs when I sent my sister and another friend to buy from them, but I haven’t yet spent the 18 quids worth of gut bugs that have accumulated on my account, so I’m not bothered about getting credit for any mumsnetters to find their way to the motherload of fermented goodness. I was planning to blow my gut bugs on a collection of all their different flavours of kombucha. But now that I’m making my own and it is so good I’m not really interested in buying more kombucha. I think I’ll wait till spring, when the outdoor temperature is cool enough to store extra jars in the shed, because it’s hard enough just finding space in the fridge for the 8 jars that arrive with the subscription.

You have to be wary of supermarket kimchi and kraut, or anything else that is normally produced by fermentation (like miso paste). Unless they are in the fridge area, and say "live" somewhere on the jar they have either been pasteurised (to prevent the jars from going fizzy when stored in room temperature) or in the case of lots of German and Polish sauerkraut they're made from cabbage soured with wine or vinegar and have never been fermented at all. I was really annoyed to see that Holland and Barrett pasteurise their kombucha, what a daft thing to do!

So. Did something just click in your head? Have you got anyone supporting you with all this? Nurse? Gp? Nutritionist? Friend? Partner? Or just made time on your onw each day to think about this? I know it needs a huge lot of though and energy when I don't have a lot!

Nope, nobody at all, just the Zoe podcast scientists teaching me things I didn’t know, and me being desperate to be able to walk again without being stabbed in the groin, burnt in the shin and tortured by grinding in the hip and knee joints at every single hobbling step.

I’m sure it’s a lot easier for me, because I live on my own and don’t have to take anyone else into consideration.

When I had friends staying over Christmas it was more difficult, there were more temptations and more chances to trip up. They knew in advance that I wouldn’t be joining them for breakfast at 8am, or dinner at 8pm, so that wasn’t a problem, and I made sure that I enjoyed all the Christmas mince pies, mulled wine, cake and fancy cheeses and biscuits. I didn’t try to stay within any kind of calorie limit, but logged everything on the myfitnesspal diary, and stuck to the 11am-5pm eating window. I’d help prepare dinner, and would join them at the table, but wouldn’t eat. If the meal was particularly tempting I’d save a portion for my lunch the next day. In the evenings I’d drink different teas (without milk) or water while they hit the wine and spirits, and gleefully join them in a post prandial spliff. (For old ladies with rheumatism this counts as a “medicinal herbal remedy”).

When I was helping to cook in the evenings I sometimes forgot that I wasn’t supposed to taste the food, it’s an extra step when you have to chase someone down with a little spoons and ask them to judge if it needs more seasoning. A couple of times, while I was helping clear the table I somehow managed to accidentally break the fast by shovelling a left over roast potato or other tasty morsel into my gob on the way to the kitchen without realising I was doing it until too late. Sometimes they probably thought I was a bit irritating, chasing them around with mulled wine and hot mince pies in the middle of the afternoon, but when you only have 6 hours in the middle of the day to do all your scoffing you can’t be sticking to traditional meal times.

When I’m on my own I usually start the day with the same mix of oats, seeds, frozen berries and nuts. I get a head start on it before going to bed by filling the bottom half of a porringer with water, then mixing the porridge oats with water in the upper pan, adding a tablespoon of inulin powder, 1 tablespoon of brown linseeds, a teaspoon each of hulled hempseeds, chia, poppy, sunflower, pumpkin and sesame seeds and leaving it on top of the stove till the next day.

Around 20 to 11 the next morning I add 100g of frozen berries and 15g of walnuts, then switch on the hub under the porringer, and start brewing coffee. By 11am I have a big bowl of porridge with milk, a mug of coffee (also with milk), a glass of kombucha and a glass of water all lined up ready. If the berries are very sour I sometimes add a drop of unflavoured stevia extract to the porridge while it cooks. That breakfast adds up to around 700kcals, the other Ks (kraut, kimchi, and kefir) add another hundred and fifty. Which leaves me with 1150kcals to play with for the rest of the day.

Before reading up on the gut microbiome I used all kinds of different sweeteners, but since so many of them are a bit dodgy I now only use pure stevia extract or 100% Monk Fruit Extract (Lo Han Guo) which is supposed to contain molecules that have a beneficial influence over the gut microbiome, though it is so incredibly sweet that I don’t know how anyone ever consumes enough of it to make a difference.

I order a wide variety of healthy foods when putting together my grocery order, but they don’t always deliver everything, so I wait until after the groceries arrive and I can see the use by dates before planning menus, though I don't always stick to the plan. Today the shiitake mushrooms were starting to look a bit venerable, and there was a 75g packet of La Vie vegan lardons that needed using up. I sizzled them in a non stick pan with three cloves of cutted up garlic, added a squirt of tomato puree and a spoonful of wholegrain French mustard, deglazed the pan with a splash of Amontillado sherry, added 50g of St Agur cheese and 75ml of single cream, and kept the smokey, creamy, cheesy sauce hot while 75g of linguine boiled. Mixed it all together and served with a side of kimchi. It was so delicious that I forgot to sprinkle any grated parmesan on top, or reach for the ketchup bottle.

The cream and sherry tipped me 48 calories above today’s daily allowance, but I don’t care. I’ll probably make up for it by being a bit below the limit another day, if not I’ll not really allow it to bother me until the weight loss slows down again. I’ve had a mug of oolong tea, a glass of kefir and 5 prunes, all before the clock chimed 5. I’m well stuffed and doing a startlingly good impersonation of a tick. I’m pretty sure this is the kind of “dieting” that I’ll be able to live with in the long term.

The main adjustment is stuff like factoring in that if I want a 30g lump of cheese on a shortbread biscuit for a mid morning snack then that’s 230kcals that have to be snaffled from elsewhere. I often fiddle about on the myfitnesspal food diary, changing ingredients in the final meal, removing a slice of bread, or a few falafel balls, to compensate for something else that I hoovered down earlier, so that the total stays within the 2000kcals limit. Though when I’m having a bolshie day (like wanting to have sherry and cream in the pasta sauce this evening) I’ll exceed the limit, because I’ve always been a bit oppositional and defiant.

My biggest fear is that my metabolism will catch on and flip into “starvation mode”. I remember doing the Lighter Life diet several years ago, back when it consisted of 3 powders mixed with water to make shakes that gave a grand total of 700kcals/day and were supposed to provide all the necessary nutrients for health. I lost weight at the same speed as I did last February after starting to eat to improve my gut microbiome without restricting calories at all, but after four months on Lighter Life the weight loss slowed, I was loosing less than half a kilo/week (compared to 3kg/month now on 2000kcals/day), I was cold all the time, my hair started falling out in clumps and my fingernails were splitting and splintering. Another woman in group who was only five feet tall adjusted somehow to a 700kcal/day diet and didn’t loose a single pound for 4 weeks in a row when she started to get close to her goal weight. She didn’t cheat, she drank loads of water and ate nothing but her three miserable shakes, and was working full time as a district nurse, but her metabolism had switched to famine mode, and clung desperately to those last stores of fat.

Towards the end of the Lighter Life diet there were several weeks where you gradually introduced vegetables, then fruit, and finally potatoes and bread all in very small controlled amounts. Despite following all the rules and having loads of fresh vegetables, fruit and whole grains, I soon fell back into eating larger portions. A year later I had regained every single kilo I’d lost, and 8 more on top. My sister had the same experience. Male family members lost more weight (despite being allowed 4 shakes a day) and took a lot longer to regain it afterwards. Perhaps their relationship with food and eating is less complicated?

Anyhow I really hope everyone else gets the same results as I did once they switch to eating to feed their gut microbiome so their metabolism can mop up the free radicals that cause chronic inflammation. I’m sure one of the Zoe scientists said that it takes between 10 and 12 hours for your body to switch metabolic modes, so if you are lucky and have the kind of metabolism that only needs 10 hours then you’ll get a couple of hours of fat burning and repair from a 12 hour fast. I know I found it hard at first to fast for 14 hours, but it started to get easier after a while, and I gradually increased it to 16 hours, and then 18 without any difficulty. I'm rarely hungry in the evenings or at night now, though by half past ten I'm chomping at the bit to get the heat switched on under my porridge!

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 16/09/2023 20:25

Thankyou so much. Its so helpful to hear from someone who has done it!

There are what I had with a gammon dinner tonight (4 veg! Yummy)
I had a dollop of kimchi and sauerkraut. I liked the kinchi. Sauerkraut tasted a bit vinegary. Are they real?!

And had gk yoghurt with chia and flax and a few berries.

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rataverse · 16/09/2023 22:11

The kimchi says that it is made with fermented cabbage, but I can't tell from what is visible on the label if it had been pasteurised or not. Does it say anywhere that it contains live organisms? Was it on an ordinary shelf or in the fridge section of the supermarket? Cabbage is still pretty good for the gut microbiome, even if the organisms have been killed by pasteurisation.

Sauerkraut tends to get more sour the longer it is allowed to ferment, because the bacteria use up all the sugars in the vegetables, and it becomes increasingly vinegary. The same thing happens with home made kombucha if you leave it to ferment for a long time.

If you mix the sour sauerkraut with grated apple, or chopped apricots and a few chopped nuts that might make it a bit less sour.

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 17/09/2023 12:57

@Rainbowsandrainclouds1
@ilovepixie
@Studswagger

This is my main thread. We'll done both of you and please come and join in here :) I'd love your support/company.

I love pixie the other one will be deleted - please join me - we can do this. I am struggling and out of breath and need to change too.

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 17/09/2023 12:59

@rataverse I can't really tell from the packaging. I gave ordered a case from "your" place so will have this as starters!

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 17/09/2023 13:03

So I had a porridge with chia and flax and acouple of dried apricots for breakfast.
My daughter made me a bagel (probably upf) with veggie bacon (upf) and real avocado and an egg. Omg it was so lovely. I guess the reduction of upf will be gradual here. At least I didn't eat crisps.
I could so eat another one but that's probably in my head.

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 17/09/2023 17:09

I've just checked my blood pressure (last dr asked me to and then they left and I didnt) and its a bit high.

I guess that's being morbidly Obese. I will mention it at the appointment though. I feel scared my body is broken beyond repair 😔

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DietHelp · 17/09/2023 19:23

Slim people get high BP too.

Notjustabrunette · 17/09/2023 19:40

why do you think you over eat? If it’s emotional or stress eating, maybe this needs address before you consider surgery?

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 17/09/2023 22:49

Hello! I really don't want surgery. I am worried it might be the only thing that works at my weight but I'd really like to tackle the issues if I can.

As to why -

I used to walk and was part of a rambling group. I got ME/cfs and was suddenly severely limited. 15 years on and this has been the biggest issue.

Also - having 2 kids just after this I had no family help and husband away and I didn't sleep for 3-5 years which played absolute havoc with my body and mental health.

Each year the kids got bigger I got more stressed about lack of relationship with my family (they don't give a shit. I now know this is their issue. Mostly) I tied myself up in knots trying to get their approval/to be interested. Then this unearthed childhood trauma/abuse at each stage my kids got to.

I had some fab therapy over the last fee years. They didn't "do" eating but they did do trauma and I'm no longer enmeshed in parental nightmares and their opinions count less. Kids are more independent so physically less difficult.

But emotionally our low income/lack of well paid jobs/tiny house is tricky.

Also my kids are autistic. Very difficult to di meals which meant after the first fee years of no sugar/ultra healthy it became whatever they eat and we discovered turkey dinosaurs chips and peas.

And I've been exhausted. And can't face cooking/literally struggling to be awake so it was whatever was quick and easy. Which was UPF.

So I can see "what led to this" so many things. But right now I've become very immobile (Lots of chest infections and covid this last year) and going to a physio at the gp ad a first step. They will pf course tell me I'm obese. But I was moving so much more a year ago. Now it's a big deal to move in the house... or to the car. Its time to change somehow.

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 17/09/2023 22:51

I've eaten kefir kombuch saurkraut and kimchi again today!

Not sure if kombuch (rescue one) is real.
Or the kraft ans kimchi.

I am getting a bit hung up on this. Only want to buy them and eat them daily if they "work" 😂

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Peridot1 · 18/09/2023 08:14

Hi @OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo

That’s the perfectionist bit of your brain. I tend to get the same. If I can’t do it perfectly or if it’s not working instantly I get put off. But I tend to know that now and tell myself not to be ridiculous. Doesn’t always work of course!

You have a lot to deal with. And have been through a lot. Over a long period of time. So it will take time to recover and heal.

So baby steps along the road. You are doing great. Your breakfast yesterday sounded good. As did your bagel. Yes possibly UPF but Rome wasn’t built in a day! And I don’t think it’s possible to eradicate UPFs completely really. You could end up totally obsessing which would be counterproductive. Reducing as much as you can gradually will be the way to do it.

I don’t think your body is beyond repair. But that’s not to say it will be an easy or quick fix. Don’t put too much pressure on yourself to be perfect with this. It’s not possible.

Concentrate on reading the two books. I think the Why We Eat Too Much one is a bit more important at this stage as it’s about weight and obesity. You already know quite a bit about the UPF stuff. Up to you obviously! The UPF stuff is important as it may actually make a difference to your ME etc. though. as so many of these foods contribute to inflammation etc.

When is your doctor’s appointment?

Kyliemichelletaylor · 18/09/2023 09:21

First of all, bravo for reaching out and making this goal. I don't have experience losing more than a few stone BUT this girl I worked with did and she's an effing inspiration! She quit her day job and is now a PT but even if you just want to check out her Instagram you'll find it inspiring: marlihan

she's amazing and posts so candidly xx

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 18/09/2023 11:25

Thanks Peridot. As ever much appreciated and this thread is probably what's keeping me from spinning off in my head! How are you doing? You've lost a lot already haven't you?

You're SO right about perfectionism. I'd gone down an obsessive rabbit hole about making it which currently isn't something I can add to my plate!

I had Muesli for breakfast (as husband brought it up for me. I know it's not great) but he added chia and flax which I am adding each day to help.feel.full and whatever other magic they're supposed to do.

11- had a banana and a proper peanut butter and it was lovely.

Having. Mr teacos bring us an abundance of fruit and veg is making this much easier in my mind that struggles to plan/organise. If I get in from work I go for quick option so having this all accessible makes so much difference. We're on week 2 of Mr tesco!

Also this thread and just adding bits to my day is making me more mindful of what I'm doing. So even if the Ks /flax stuff ia a placebo it still is helping.

My daughter made me a halloumi and avocado bagel for work so will look forwards to eating that. I've actually not craved crisps yet. I mean. I probably will. They're my absolute downfall and even sent husband out to get them in summer when we ran out. But it very much is/was my go to when I hadn't planned lunch/snack so day whatever it is (3?4?) Of no crisps is in itself an achievement for me.

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 18/09/2023 11:26

Kylie - yay it is so great that it is possible. Even if it is 1 in 1000!!

I do hope I don't have to get quite as obsesisve as I guess you'd have to do become a PT. If she lived near me I'd be tempted!

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 18/09/2023 11:31

Just googled her and she's done amazing!

She's way out of my budget but looks a brilliant person to go to as she's "been there!"

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Peridot1 · 18/09/2023 12:00

@OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo - your breakfast sounds fine. For the moment just eat what s in the house with a view to gradually replacing things with a better less processed version if there is one.

As to me I am a bit stuck. Have been for a while. My own fault. I’m still on Ozempic and have lost three stone but have two to go. Have been stuck for what seems like ages. I need to add in exercise, drink more water and cut way way back on wine. My appetite has increased and it wasn’t possible to up my dose due to shortages. I have increased now but I think my body is used to the medication so it’s not having the same effect. And the prices are now so high I’m not sure what to do going forward. I’ve just joined a gym and have some sessions with a personal trainer booked so am hoping that helps. I’m off to Greece for a week on Friday so not worrying about it all too much yet. Need to re-read the Why We Eat (Too Much) book.

I love crisps too and I have one packet a week. Usually on a Saturday night. Some times I have an ice cream or cheese and biscuits on a Sunday night. I think we still need to have those things as a treat. It’s not a treat if we have it every day but it is if it’s once a week.

I think your thread will help me too to be honest. I’d been coasting along a bit but I need to get back into it properly. Even with taking Ozempic/Wegovy it still takes effort.

Quitelikeit · 18/09/2023 13:04

Well done op!

It has taken me years to realise that losing weight is not a quick fix and does require ongoing commitment.

Try not to over complicate things and read too much as tbh the diet industry is making billions a year when in reality losing weight has never changed ie it’s all about your calories in versus what your body needs to put you in a deficit

theres a FB group and they are all heavier women and get 2000 calories a day and they eat very well for that but surprisingly a lot of it is ultra processed- they still lose though

Im in the process of trying to lose weight and try mega hard to eat chicken/eggs/ every day to get my protein in as I do believe that sugar causes inflammation etc I eat fruit but avoid cakes etc

Dont ever go hungry, enjoy your clean eating there are some delicious dishes to be made!

if you fall off the wagon for a day here and there that’s ok just get back on it the next day!

lastly get yourself a water bottle and drink drink drink!

rataverse · 18/09/2023 15:24

Don’t judge yourself for not being able to completely change the habits of a lifetime in one fell swoop. You’d have to be a very strange kind of person to completely change all your eating habits overnight. Some things will be easy, and others will take time, but if you can avoid fretting over it the changes will happen gradually.

It probably took a year before I reached a point where I could look at a packet of Mr Kipling’s French Fancies and read the list of ingredients to counteract their seductive qualities. These days I find reading the ingredients on lots of delicious looking desserts and cakes works as an instant turn off.

I dunno about you, but when I bake a cake and ice it I have never reached for any of the following ingredients : Glucose Syrup, Vegetable Oils (Palm, Shea), Vegetable Margarine (Vegetable Oils (Palm, Rapeseed), Humectant (Vegetable Glycerine), Dried Egg, Milk Proteins, Vegetable Fat (Palm), Whey Powder Raising Agents (Disodium Diphosphate), Emulsifiers (Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids, Soya Lecithin), Maize Starch (much less innocent than it sounds), Preservative (Potassium Sorbate), Colours (Carmine, Lutein).

I can’t tell which of those ingredients (or combination thereof) that are so addictive (though the glucose syrup, emulsifiers and maize starch are strong contenders), but once I start on the first French Fancy I still find it very hard not to eat the entire packet, it usually takes all my willpower to break the trance and manage stop after inhaling the first three. I’m feeling increasingly disgruntled about all the food processing companies that spend loads of money on advertising to make us believe their products are wholesome and delicious, while at the same time constantly tweaking their recipes to make the ingredients cheaper and more addictive, with no consideration for the effect they have on consumer health!

It’s the same as the tobacco companies and cigarettes. I was smoking 60 a day back in 1991. My lungs were crap, and then one day it finally dawned on me that tobacco companies (and their share holders) were tricking me into parting with money that I could have been spending on nice things. They were happily raking in the cash while at the same time jeering at suckers like myself, who were so easily influenced that we were destroying our health, allowing ourselves to be led down a path that would end with us dying in agony from cancer, or drowning in our own festering lung fluids from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, while at the same time insisting that it was all our own choice. The following day, after the penny finally dropped, I waited till after breakfast to fire up my first fag, the next week I put it off until my mid morning cuppa, then after lunch, until after a couple of months I wasn’t lighting that first-cig-of-the-day until 8pm. Then, one day when I only had 3 ciggies left I decided not to buy any more. So I put that packet in a drawer (for emergencies) and never smoked again. It wasn't will power that helped me, I'd stopped before and always gone back again after 6 months or a year. It was the anger when I realised that there were so many bastards whose fortunes were made from the tobacco industry, who didn't smoke and would never allow their own children to be foolish enough to start smoking, but were happy make loads of money from luring other people's children into taking up the habit. Haven’t lit up since November 3rd 1991. I threw those last three cigarettes away in 1992 and have never looked back except with gratitude and relief that I’d managed to shake off the pernicious tobacco addiction goblin. It took 30 years before I was confident enough in my non-smokeryness that I don’t worry about accepting a few tokes if anyone offers a joint. Purely for medicinal purposes of course (honest), although, given the choice, I’d make medicinal truffles or black bean and “herb” triple chocolate brownies rather than setting fire to a joint.

It’s became easier to resist the temptation of shop bought cakes and biscuits after I discovered 75g packets of Sunita honey halva: Ingredients Ground sesame seeds (52% ) honey (48% ). Decadently sweet and fatty, with no hidden nasties. Most modern halva has got glucose syrup in the ingredients, but Sunita still makes this traditional, organic, two ingredient recipe. You have to hunt for it and check the ingredients before ordering because they make the cheapo stuff too but if you put Sunita honey halva into Amazon you can order a stash of 12 packets for 24 quid, and they can be stored in room temperature for months. I think my last lot arrived with a 12 month use by date.

Don't know about you, but my natural inclination is open a packet - eat a packet. When I’d buy 250g bricks of halva from the Turkish store at the market they wouldn’t last a week, so having the temptation arrive already cut and sealed inside individual packs of 75g was a bonus.

Now that I am trying to eat fewer than 2000kcals/day I can rarely justify blowing 414kcals of those calories in the form of a single snack of 75g packet of halva, so I (mostly) cut the bar in half and save half in the fridge for another day. I have a suspicion that the suggested serving size on the packet is 25g, and I aspire to that future day when my self restraint has improved to the point that I can cut a packet into three pieces, without going back to the fridge ten minutes later to scoff the rest.

Adding the fermented foods wasn’t all that difficult, but the change that I have found the most satisfying and that continues to entertain me almost every day is the “see how many different plants you can eat in a week” challenge. I’m constantly playing around with that one, and each time I find a new plant to add to the repertoire it amuses me far too much.

I can’t walk to the shops, so have to make a single grocery delivery last for 7 days. Keeping fresh fruit and vegetables for the full 7 days till the next delivery can be tricky. On the days after delivery I have fresh berries and fruits, greens (usually watercress or samphire because I like those best), and salad vegetables, but later in the week the root veg and frozen, dried and tinned stuff dominates.

Since it was weigh in day today I didn’t have my standard seed, nut and berry porridge, and had celebratory eggs on toast instead. Two eggs, whipped with 125g ASDA quark, a couple of tablespoons of dried leek flakes, a teaspoon of freeze dried chives, onion granules and garlic granules, and 25g of crumbled vintage cheddar. I mixed chopped chestnut mushrooms with half a red pepper and the other 75g packet of La Vie vegan lardons which are not too bad compared to other fake bacon (ingredients: Rehydrated Soya Proteins 82%, Sunflower Oil, Salt, Natural Flavourings, Colourants: Anthocyane, Lycopene, Acidity Corrector: Potassium Acetates) and four lumps/100g of frozen chopped spinach. Then I stirred the egg goop into the fried stuff and put a lid on top of the pan while I made some toast. Turned the scrambled egg/omelette thing over to cook the other side and slid it on top of the toast, sprinkled a few drops of tabasco on top, a squirt of ketchup and leaned out the kitchen door to nip some leaves off the parsley plant on the windowsill outside, then forked a bit of Loving foods turmeric and black pepper kimchi onto the side of the plate. Served with a cup of coffee with a tablespoon of inulin and milk.

That made a total of 22 different plants for breakfast, a good start on my 70 plants a week target.
Wholemeal wheat in the bread, leek, chives, parsley, onion, garlic, pepper, mushroom, spinach, tabasco pepper, tomato in the eggs, Cabbage, Carrots, Ginger, Radish, Chilli, Cayenne Pepper, Onion, Turmeric and Black Pepper in the kimchi, coffee beans in the coffee and chicory root in the inulin.

I’ve had 4 more plants for lunch, a pear, 10g of Brazil nuts and 10g of Lindt 90% chocolate washed down with ordinary PG tips tea and milk.

For the last meal of the day I’m planning on having Goodlife falafels (Chickpea (69%), Onion (18%), Rapeseed Oil, Parsley (3%), Salt, Cumin Powder, Coriander Powder, Concentrated Lemon Juice (0.3%), Black Pepper, Chilli Powder) in home made lentil wraps (red lentils and ground flaxseed fried in olive oil), with a salad made from chopped up pickled cucumber, chopped walnuts and sauerkraut, and the last of the cherry tomatoes. With a glass of kefir and 15g of dried black mulberries for afters. Plus a mug of oolong tea. I can’t count the onion, parsey, black pepper and chilli that are in the falafels again this week, so the total of different plants in this meal comes to 12.

Which means that today I will have eaten 37 different plants. Unless I decide to squeeze in 25g of honey halva, in which case it goes up to 38, or maybe even 39 if I am allowed to count the pollen in honey…. Either way, I’ve already cleared the “30 different plant foods in a week” hurdle, which is why I changed the rules of the game and now try to hit at least 70. It gets increasingly difficult every day as the week goes on, since you aren’t allowed to count the same plant more than once in the same week.

Which is why now, whenever I see a new dried or frozen plant for sale that I can afford to buy I snaffle it with inordinate glee. The dried leeks, garlic and onion granules and other dried vegetables and fruit save lots of washing and chopping. It’s easy to mix powdered acerola cherry, schisandra berry, acaia berry, boabab powder and other freeze dried fruit powders into kefir, dried vegetables to sauces, curries and stews, and sprinkle dried seaweed flakes onto things.

I have to admit that some of the more exotic mushroom powders (not porcini powder, which is lovely), and all of the green powders (spirulina, chorella, and other pond scum tasting things) are still a bit too grown-up for my taste buds, they each got used once, though I haven’t composted them because I keep thinking it might be possible to hide the occasional spoonful in a hot curry.

After writing this down it has just dawned on me that the reason I have managed to keep doing this since February last year and still feel happy to continue with it indefinitely, is that unlike all the other dieting plans which seemed to consist of denying myself treats and having long lists of desirable but forbidden foods that must be avoided, I am now keeping myself amused by playing a game of seeing how many different weird and wonderful plants I can get through every week. Finding room for kombucha, kraut, kimchi and kefir, (as well as all the other fermented goodies which include things like black tea, chocolate, coffee, oozy cheeses and live miso) and has led to me constantly weighing up the benefit of falling for the lures of cunningly-crafted-to-be-tempting-and-addictive pseudo foods, against the havoc they’ll wreak on the cherished wee beasties that live in my guts and if looked after will happily spend their entire lives quietly helping my metabolism to work better.

Anyhow at the end of another four weeks I’ve lost another 3.2kg. Actually it was four weeks and four days this time, because my old scales had died when I tried to use them on Thursday, so I had to wait for the new ones to arrive yesterday and then wait for this morning to try them out. As always the myfitnesspro algorithm has been telling me when I click to complete the days entries, that I will weigh between a couple of kilos more, to a couple of tenths of a kilo less if I keep eating the same way for the next 5 weeks. It has been telling me the same thing every day for 567 days now, and so far it has never been right. If I’d listened to their recommendations I would have started out trying to survive on 1600kcals/day, which would have reset my metabolism to “famine mode” and made it impossible to keep going for more than a few weeks. As it is I’ve been trying not to eat more than 2000kcals, but failing 2 days out of three, yet somehow I’ve dropped another 3.2kgs without any effort.

I assume it’s my improved gut microbiome helping to rebalance my totally fecked metabolism. Not just the fermented foods, the wide array of plant foods, the inulin and aiming for 110g/protein and 70g fibre each day. Those things all combine together to help, but I have a strong suspicion that a lot of the healing happens during the fasting period, after the food has moved through the intestines and the repair crew bacteria wake up and get to work mending the bowel lining and producing all kinds of chemicals that mop up inflammation chemicals and improve mood and sleep.

I’m still a morbidly obese old curmudgeon who can’t stand up, lower myself to a seat, or walk a step without hissing through my teeth and swearing, but my blood pressure and glucose control are normal for the first time in decades, and I don’t feel any temptation to go back to eating at all hours of the day and night, or having orgies with bags of crisps, salted nuts, biscuits and the kind of “cakes” that last for months on the supermarket shelves.

I ordered the Withings Body+ Smart Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Bathroom Scale from Amazon for £60 because it said that the batteries lasted for over a year and 60% of their scales were still in use after 4 years. The one I had before ran through batteries in a couple of weeks, and then needed to be reconnected to the phone app via a complicated process that involved standing on the scales and bending down to press an invisible spot on the surface to start the pairing process. Except there’s no way I can bend down and touch the ground next to my feet, even for a second never mind hold my hand there while the device connects to my phone. So I had to lift the scales onto a table and lean enough body weight onto them that they were tricked into thinking a tiny person was standing on them. It was a massive pain in the arse, and after installing the third set of batteries I in 6 mWithings Body+ - Smart Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Bathroom Scaleonths I had to take the batteries out after each weigh in, and then go through the palaver of reconnecting the scales to the phone app before each use. So I wasn’t too sad when it finally died completely. Reading the reviews on Amazon I realised that a lot of the cheaper digital bathroom scales had the same problem with battery use, so I was willing to pay a bit more to get scales that might turn out to last a bit longer and be less infuriating. The Withings Body+ was on special offer last week, I paid 60 quid for it, which I consider a lot of money, but today when I went back to look for a link it has gone back up to £90. So if you are considering replacing your bathroom scales it might be worth keeping an eye on them, especially around Black Friday to see if the price goes back down again.

Does anyone ever manage to read these ramblings all the way to the end? Should I try to chop them into smaller segments? Or just stop clogging up the thread with them?

Peridot1 · 18/09/2023 16:23

I have just read it all with huge interest @rataverse! You write so well and engagingly.

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 18/09/2023 18:15

@rataverse yes just read that all while waiting for my daughters music lesson!

So encouraging. How much have you lost so far? It is great to hear how well its all working for you.

I too am scared by lack of mobility and I always have "inflammation " on blood tests so hoping all the Ks will help. I have just read the chapter about cocoa pops in UPP and making you want to eat more and more without feeling full. It's so true!

I currently would be overwhelmed with so many plants as a goal but you're over a year in so it's something I cna aspire too. I'm more likely to be looking st a 2 week meal plan but will try to get variety in!

Today
B Muesli flax/chia/apricot
Sn banana and peanut butter.
L avocado and halloumi bagel.
Sn ate a crem caramel- kids were. Did notice it didn't help my hunger even though they're my favourite!
D JAcket with baked beans and cheeseburger and salad of spinach cucumber and saurkrau and kimchi. Found it less objectionable with dinner.

When I get in I will have greek yoghurt with berries.

Not perfect but I'm slowly getting back to 3 meals and 2 snacks... and cutting back the fake food slowly.

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 18/09/2023 18:17

@Peridot1 well done with 3 stone! Rhat must look and feel so different already.

And good call with the gym too!

I hope the medications work out okay.

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