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9/11 - what happened to the planes?

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myyve · 12/09/2023 11:48

Thinking on from that awful day after the anniversary yesterday, one thought has come to mind.

What happened to the planes and those onboard, once they were flown into the twin towers? I know this probably does sound silly and I'm so sorry if it comes across as ignorant, but I truly do not know, and the internet doesn't mention anything, either..

Did they come to a crash landing afterwards? Or did they continue flying? What actually happened to the plane and those poor souls on board?

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JanesBlond · 12/09/2023 14:41

Royanne · 12/09/2023 14:04

On the contrary, I expect most people have. There's been numerous documentaries and news items in the past 22 years - even if you don't actively look it up, I think it would be pretty difficult to never have seen footage.

Most people are familiar with significant footage, even if before they were born - have you never seen footage of the moon landing? Of England scoring the last goal in 1966?

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I’ve seen a brief clip of the moon walk in a film I think but haven’t sought it out and I’ve definitely never seen the 1966 goal - why on earth would I? That’s not a significant event at all. I think watching documentaries about people dying is a bit grim so I don’t seek them out. I also haven’t seen footage of 7/7 or any other terrorist attack.

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Breakawaytour · 12/09/2023 14:43

Mimmy352 · 12/09/2023 14:24

I completely agree. No one should be harassed.

It’s just, in my generation, we grew up with the world of knowledge at our fingertips, so it’s surprising to me that people don’t know what I’d consider common knowledge

BUT I fully acknowledge that it’s common knowledge to me because I’m obsessed with history, so growing up watching documentaries and gathering as much information as possible was normal for me.

I appreciate as well that many do not wish to know the details. They’re utterly heartbreaking, and I’ve spent many a nights sobbing over a documentary, audio file or first hand account.

And yet, even though it’s so awfully sad, there’s a sense of unity in watching clips from that day. People rushing to help strangers, people of different religions, languages, stopping to pray with people. People risking their own lives to go towards danger to help just one person, somebody they’d never met before that day.

There are so many amazing stories of heroes who woke up that morning not knowing the amazing things they were about to be capable of. The passengers who sacrificed themselves to take back the plane and crash it into a field, avoiding more death and destruction. The firefighter who pulled a lady through the window of the pentagon, saving her life and allowing her to go home to her children that day. The priest who insisted on joining the firefighters because they were his friends, and he wanted to help as much as he could, even if it was to just administer last rights.

The man who rescued another from rubble, both of them covered in blood and shaking hands, swearing they’d be brothers for life - who to this day are still best of friends and sharing their stories.

The people who opened their businesses, their homes, to people in need, not knowing if they were dangerous or not.

Sorry, I know this got a bit long so I’ll stop here. But this day in history is something I’m very passionate about, and I don’t think age is a reason not to know about something.

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Totally agree, I feel quite tearful about it today for so many reasons

Breakawaytour · 12/09/2023 14:45

Cailleachian · 12/09/2023 14:38

This is a fascinating thread.

The reason the OP is getting such aggressive responses is because it is contested history.

While most people believe 2 planes hit the twin towers, one hit the pentagon and one came down in Pennsylvania, there are a substantial minority of people who believe something different happened.

Questioning the mainstream account of 911 is considered disrespectful to those who died that day and by implication any question that asks "what happened" is disrespectful as it invites alternate explanations and further questioning.

Following the official narrative of 911 has become a tenet of faith of Western Democracy in the face of Ethnic Savagery.. For those who do not blindly believe, it is disrespectful to the millions who died as a consequence of the 911 narrative not to question.

<Awaits being flamed, and having the post reported>

Wtaf are you going on about ??

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myyve · 12/09/2023 14:46

@JANEY205 honestly I haven't asked this question for any reason other than to find out the answer to something I was researching. I cleave apologised profusely for any upset it might have caused. Mumsnet has had a presence on this thread and can also vouch for the fact I've been a member on mumsnet for a while now, having contributed to many threads and I've never ever been accused of trolling. I certainly am not now, and especially not over something so sensitive. I'm really hurt that you would think otherwise.

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Reachingreach · 12/09/2023 14:46

myyve · 12/09/2023 14:29

I haven't asked it again. I am researching for my engineering course. I feel extremely vulnerable at the moment on this thread.

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The trick is to just focus on the positive, helpful replies OP. And remind yourself that the keyboard warriors would not be quite so brave in bullying you in real life!

Plenty of posters here understand your tone and question, no need to keep apologising.

Some posters absolutely love to be offended, they should probably avoid topics they know will 'trigger' their sensitivities but alas, they somehow find a way to read and post, despite clear thread titles!

Butterdoesntmelt · 12/09/2023 14:46

OP if you are still reading the responses, please stop. Don't let a bunch of strangers affect you like that. Good luck with the course.

myrtleWilson · 12/09/2023 14:47

@willWillSmithsmith There are people from all walks of life, with a vast array of careers on here - why specifically would engineers be too busy?

I see that the LucyLetbytruther movement have joined the thread with usual robust theories...

MeadAndPie · 12/09/2023 14:49

myyve · 12/09/2023 14:38

The thing is I'm not an engineer. I am In VERY early stages of training to hopefully become something within that field. I started my course 6 days ago.

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There probably are engineers on here - may be more after working day ends.

You'll want more of the science - physics and chemistry than the politics and eye witness accounts

The computer simulations predicting tower collapse

9/11 Impact Anatomy | National Geographic

and the detailed report on planes

Analysis of Aircraft Impacts into the World Trade Center Towers

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-6279f222e377ad1d41bc741934d2384c/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-6279f222e377ad1d41bc741934d2384c.pdf

This Computer Simulation Explains How the Twin Towers Fell

To understand what happened to the Twin Towers on 9/11, a scientist set up an elaborate computer simulation of the event. It ended up not just predicting the...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzInIjD6nKw

pickledandpuzzled · 12/09/2023 14:50

FastAndLast · 12/09/2023 14:36

Yeah I don’t think there’s many engineers hanging about on Mumsnet.

Well you don't think very accurately then.

Locutus2000 · 12/09/2023 14:51

Cailleachian · 12/09/2023 14:38

This is a fascinating thread.

The reason the OP is getting such aggressive responses is because it is contested history.

While most people believe 2 planes hit the twin towers, one hit the pentagon and one came down in Pennsylvania, there are a substantial minority of people who believe something different happened.

Questioning the mainstream account of 911 is considered disrespectful to those who died that day and by implication any question that asks "what happened" is disrespectful as it invites alternate explanations and further questioning.

Following the official narrative of 911 has become a tenet of faith of Western Democracy in the face of Ethnic Savagery.. For those who do not blindly believe, it is disrespectful to the millions who died as a consequence of the 911 narrative not to question.

<Awaits being flamed, and having the post reported>

There is a term for saying things that you think will cause you to "await being flamed, and having the post reported".

FastAndLast · 12/09/2023 14:52

myrtleWilson · 12/09/2023 14:39

Why on earth would you think that??

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Because it’s mainly women on here and women can’t be engineers 🤔

I jest, obviously. My comment was half tongue in cheek and half thinking there won’t be lots of engineers on the thread at lunchtime on a Tuesday afternoon.
I don’t doubt for a minute some members are engineers.

Alondra · 12/09/2023 14:53

Maatandosiris · 12/09/2023 14:27

I think it’s always very difficult to decide what’s right and wrong in wars. At the time I guess many people say this as finally drawing an end to a war which had killed millions. Now looking back it looks terrible.

it’s a bit like the dam buster raids for years have been touted as the acts of heroes. Yet not long ago Russia blew up a dam in Ukraine and it was seen as despicable.

what I do find terrible are the deals done with war criminals after the end of WWII to obtain information obtained through the unspeakable torture of men women and children.

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It's always easy to excuse and find justification in finding fault at war when you want to excuse it.

What the US did to Japan was genocide. What the US did in Vietnam was genocide. What the US has done in Latinamerica is beyond appalling, starting with supporting a dictatorship (Pinochet) against a government elected by their people but against American interests (Allende).

And let's not talk about the weapons of mass destruction which was the excuse to detonate the Middle East because US oil companies wanted to control it.

This is a list of countries the US has bombed since WW2, without disclosing the countries their money and weapons have "encouraged" to change their governments.

Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011
Iraq and Syria 2014 –
Somalia 2011 –
Iran 2020 –

What the US interests have done to this world is beyond disgusting.

mathanxiety · 12/09/2023 14:53

myyve · 12/09/2023 11:56

I was 2 when it happened, so no I didn't see the footage. I am actually asking as research for part of a case study I am working on. Not just for the hell of it, or because I want to know the morbid details. I am sorry again for asking. I just couldn't find any further information on this online.

There is extensive online footage of both planes hitting the towers, one after the other. You can clearly see that no plane emerges from either building.

Go to YouTube. Type 9/11 twin towers planes footage in the search bar.

FastAndLast · 12/09/2023 14:54

pickledandpuzzled · 12/09/2023 14:50

Well you don't think very accurately then.

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What, you know there are many on this thread? I stand corrected.

Athenas · 12/09/2023 14:54

Thanks for answering my question OP about what sort of case study required this info. I wish you well in your studies and your engineering course. If you now have the answer you need, and I think you do, I would step away from this thread. I don't see how it will benefit you now

MzHz · 12/09/2023 14:54

MadamWhiteleigh · 12/09/2023 11:54

Have you not see the footage?

Exactly! A simple fucking google search could have answered this and nullified this ridiculous thread entirely.

PenLidsOnTheFloor · 12/09/2023 14:54

Mimmy352 · 12/09/2023 14:24

I completely agree. No one should be harassed.

It’s just, in my generation, we grew up with the world of knowledge at our fingertips, so it’s surprising to me that people don’t know what I’d consider common knowledge

BUT I fully acknowledge that it’s common knowledge to me because I’m obsessed with history, so growing up watching documentaries and gathering as much information as possible was normal for me.

I appreciate as well that many do not wish to know the details. They’re utterly heartbreaking, and I’ve spent many a nights sobbing over a documentary, audio file or first hand account.

And yet, even though it’s so awfully sad, there’s a sense of unity in watching clips from that day. People rushing to help strangers, people of different religions, languages, stopping to pray with people. People risking their own lives to go towards danger to help just one person, somebody they’d never met before that day.

There are so many amazing stories of heroes who woke up that morning not knowing the amazing things they were about to be capable of. The passengers who sacrificed themselves to take back the plane and crash it into a field, avoiding more death and destruction. The firefighter who pulled a lady through the window of the pentagon, saving her life and allowing her to go home to her children that day. The priest who insisted on joining the firefighters because they were his friends, and he wanted to help as much as he could, even if it was to just administer last rights.

The man who rescued another from rubble, both of them covered in blood and shaking hands, swearing they’d be brothers for life - who to this day are still best of friends and sharing their stories.

The people who opened their businesses, their homes, to people in need, not knowing if they were dangerous or not.

Sorry, I know this got a bit long so I’ll stop here. But this day in history is something I’m very passionate about, and I don’t think age is a reason not to know about something.

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I understand, we all have our areas of passion when it comes to history and it can be so emotional - especially when something is so recent. Sometimes I think we need to look at things dispassionately with regards to history, but that can be so difficult, with this situation even more so as it was only thirty years ago and so many stories were so heart-rendering. And the fact that with this, and other terror attacks, it led to human kindness in many situations.

I just bothers me that other people on this thread think it’s okay to repeatedly attack someone for asking a question. If we forever said ‘this is a sensitive subject, you can’t ask about it’ our knowledge would be significantly lesser than it should be! As I say, I have blocked out a lot of this and reading through this thread I’m learning a lot about it to be honest!

foxxymoron · 12/09/2023 14:54

Thread now featuring on Twitter's Mumsnet Madness.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/09/2023 14:54

What's happened, OP, is that you've asked a question that other posters believe you should have looked up from any other source than mumsnet. The fact that you have an absolute right to ask it has caused them to prickle as a) they like to police any thread that doesn't hit the right note with them and b) they've appropriated 9/11 for some bizarre and obscure reasons as something that must not be raised here.

They will discuss any other bollocks at any other time on any other thread regardless of how much 'in taste' it is. Ignore them, please stop apologising to them, it only encourages them to carry on.

9/11 and anything else is for anybody to discuss here or anywhere.

MzHz · 12/09/2023 14:54

FastAndLast · 12/09/2023 11:54

What the fuck are you asking?!

And yeah, this.

ffs @myyve

WhatWouldMrMannersSay · 12/09/2023 14:55

*Maybe there's some cognitive dissonance at work here. You think "large passenger airliners are big heavy metal objects travelling incredibly fast" versus "the world trade centre was just a wall of glass right" so you then imagine that the crashing planes could have stayed largely intact as they smashed through the glass, to then explode or fall to the ground on the other side.

When you learn more and appreciate that planes are mostly light metal frames covered with thin aluminium, plus they carry huge tanks of highly explosive jet fuel, and that the world trade centre was made of a lot of steel and concrete including "cores" that travelled vertically through the floors, you should then clock that a plane would not go straight through it would mostly disintegrate on impact. And explode*

I totally agree with this.

OP will have been near massive planes. They seem huge, strong, metal, they go really fucking fast. It's understandable to think that they might keep going if they hit something.

Think about when a car drives into a building and we see a photo of a big hole in the living room wall with a mostly-intact car wedged in it. It's not unreasonable to think that a plane, with all that momentum behind it, might continue moving in some way.

MN is so often a horrible place full of sanctimonious twats. Unfortunately this thread is one of those occasions.

As for the 'its in bad taste' crew 🙄 it's a huge part of history, studied and discussed by tens of thousands of people in minute detail since the day it happened. As it should be.

PenLidsOnTheFloor · 12/09/2023 14:57

Alondra · 12/09/2023 14:53

It's always easy to excuse and find justification in finding fault at war when you want to excuse it.

What the US did to Japan was genocide. What the US did in Vietnam was genocide. What the US has done in Latinamerica is beyond appalling, starting with supporting a dictatorship (Pinochet) against a government elected by their people but against American interests (Allende).

And let's not talk about the weapons of mass destruction which was the excuse to detonate the Middle East because US oil companies wanted to control it.

This is a list of countries the US has bombed since WW2, without disclosing the countries their money and weapons have "encouraged" to change their governments.

Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011
Iraq and Syria 2014 –
Somalia 2011 –
Iran 2020 –

What the US interests have done to this world is beyond disgusting.

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And are still doing. Let’s not forget to add what they have done and continue to do to native Americans. It’s one of the biggest atrocities in history, it’s disgusting because they are still doing it, yet we barley talk about it or acknowledge it.
And the depleted uranium the US used on their bullets during Iraq is STILL causing children to be born with issues. It’s horrendous.

(and before anyone jumps on this, yes we and other countries are also to blame for a lot of atrocities too)

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/09/2023 14:57

Indeed, WhatWouldMrMannersSay, endless discussion about MH370 and the thread didn't descend into a morass like this one has.

Hyprocrisy abounds.

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