9/11 - what happened to the planes?

[myyve]

Thinking on from that awful day after the anniversary yesterday, one thought has come to mind.

What happened to the planes and those onboard, once they were flown into the twin towers? I know this probably does sound silly and I'm so sorry if it comes across as ignorant, but I truly do not know, and the internet doesn't mention anything, either..

Did they come to a crash landing afterwards? Or did they continue flying? What actually happened to the plane and those poor souls on board?

Even if it's a 'genuine question' as you claim, it's still a completely ignorant one.

No it isn't, because plenty of younger people know hardly anything about it.

This is in poor taste due to it being so close to the anniversary date. It was one of the most horrific times that is ingrained in my memory and will be forever. Doing your own personal research elsewhere would be appreciated.

That Naudet brothers documentary is fascinating as much as it’s heartbreaking. To think their assignment was to simply document the new starters in FDNY (Engine 7, I believe?), and they ended up capturing the closest footage of one of the worst terrorist attacks in history.

The moment where they’re attending the first scene of the day, a minor fire in a business, only to hear loud engines overhead and look up in time to see the first plane hit? It’s just impossible to comprehend. And to think more than half of the men they recorded that day died within minutes of being on camera, to see the dust and smoke inside the towers, to hear the sound of people jumping… I dare anyone to make it through 10 minutes without sobbing.

Such a powerful piece of history in that documentary

Not as ignorant as your troll hunting.

I read the other day that using advanced dna profiling they had managed to identify two more “remains” , I know it won’t be news to the relatives , but it must be comforting to know that they are still working to give closure if they can.

One of the most poignant things I remember is the thousands of people in NY who queued to give blood, which sadly wasn’t needed.

I’m 26. I would say that’s reasonably young.
My nephew is 10 and his class dedicated an entire month to it last year. Many more young people know about it than you think

Planes are light weight - so despite looking large are basically aluminum cans as they need to be light due to fuel consumption with little inherent strength to them - and then they hit at speed a structure made of steel - steel and concrete - before their fuel catching fire at extreme heat - they won't fare well.

PP linked to this but might be worth a read: Analysis of Aircraft Impacts into the World Trade Center Towers

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-6279f222e377ad1d41bc741934d2384c/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-6279f222e377ad1d41bc741934d2384c.pdf

May have more detail than you need.

Again as PP mentioned some bits of plane did make it through the towers.
https://exhibitions.nysm.nysed.gov/wtc/recovery/aircraft.html

On the contrary, I expect most people have. There's been numerous documentaries and news items in the past 22 years - even if you don't actively look it up, I think it would be pretty difficult to never have seen footage.

Most people are familiar with significant footage, even if before they were born - have you never seen footage of the moon landing? Of England scoring the last goal in 1966?

Op - there are literally loads of videos on youtube, tv documentaries, & books about this where you can get all of the information for your research project.

The anniversary was only a few days ago, there was probably another documentary on tv then too.

I am surprised that you haven’t even looked at youtube videos of news reports from that day as part of your research.

The OP had the facts available and knew them but couldn't comprehend the damage.

Have you ever been explained something, but still not quite understood or been able to 'see' it in your mind?

The OP seems, to me, to be asking for clarification from someone/anyone to just explain, in basic terms, what physically happened to the planes upon impact.

The posters mocking OP are being utterly cruel and should be ashamed. The worst of Mumsnet.

Absolutely this. A mix of inadequate learning of research skills and critical thinking, too much readily available information via the internet (of varying veracity...), and dare I say it, laziness (sometimes encouraged by parents who spoon feed).

OP, at age 2 you wouldn't have been properly aware of the massive impact that day (and all that followed) had on many people. Those televised images of people dying in the most horrific ways were rolling news for us for a long time (and are freely available from multiple angles on the internet) - and reports and investigations went on for years afterwards and these publications and the reporting on them would give you more than enough information.

But it's perhaps a lesson to just stop and think before asking - is this the right audience to give me the help and information needed? Have I actually done adequate research - made proper effort - before expecting others to do my work for me? Don't be put off from asking questions when you need help, but just consider context, audience and wording.

But if someone is researching it there's an entire Internet out there and plenty of resources, footage, testimony, theories etc and 22 years worth of media reporting and documentaries. It's very bizarre to think I'll consult MN.

@myyve i’m really sorry that there are some unbelievably nasty people who feel it appropriate to be nasty to you when replying to your perfectly reasonable question.
I too wondered this. Initially I thought the first plane was a light aircraft (having never considered how big the Twin Towers were) and couldn’t understand how it happened. Then there was a slow, incredulous dawning of what I was watching.
i remember that morning so well, I was at work in the hospital offices, my son phoned and said get to a television and I really couldn’t fathom what was happening.
Good luck with your course, I hope it goes well for you.

Can everyone please calm down.

For those of us old enough to remember it I doubt we will ever forget and that it will ever feel a long time ago.

If the OP when to YouTube there are more conspiracy documentaries than there are factual ones.

She's only 24 if she was 2 when it happened.

There was lots of footage at the time and when it wa the 10th and 20th anniversaries but it can have easily been missed.

@myyve I understand your query - it wasn't that you thought the planes 'carried on flying' in the usual sense of 'flying' but whether propulsion kept them going for seconds longer. The footage of the planes 'slicing' into the towers is uncanny and eerie like belief is suspended.

I'm so sorry you've endured some horrendous responses on here - like a previous poster mentioned, I doubt they'd be quite so rude and brutal if you were standing in front of them in person. You've been very resilient on staying on the thread - thats a good trait!

What is the course you're doing? Don't feel disheartened about your capacity to do it

I said 'plenty' of younger people know hardly anything about it, I wasn't referring to you as you'd already said you know so much you could write a book on it and I didn't dispute that many will know all about it, but many do not.

Like I said above, I don't think the footage will have the same impact on those who don't remember watching live. For those of us old enough to remember, it was an event without compare, and one of those things that divides time into "before" and "after". For OP and an increasing number of adults they've only ever known after.

I could well see someone thinking "I know I've seen the fire, I know I've seen the towers fall, but I can't remember if the fire was instant or if the planes had so much momentum that some part of them came out the other side".

And no, I don't think I ever have seen footage of the 1966 world cup. Or I have but I don't remember it because it's not something of any particular meaning to me. Likewise, I've seen moon landing footage, but I don't think I could tell you about it in any great detail - but I bet those who watched live will never forget it.

I saw most of it happen on the television and I couldn’t write a book on it. I barely know anything about it, I don’t want to know details, I don’t want to hear about the suffering. I know enough, but I don’t actually recall what happened to all the planes or any other details. The few bits I do recall I don’t want to recall.

Not everyone will know about it, and it’s perfectly fine for people to ask questions without being harassed.

Or you could avoid the internet?

@MonicaPluto they teach it in secondary school now. Not being born when something happened has always been a fascinating excuse for ignorance - I think I’d have failed my history degree spectacularly if I’d used it then 😬

I think this post shows what ive noticed in several late teens/young adults, I just dont think schools teach the skills of being able to research a subject at all these days.

It's hit and miss TBH - and it's yet another thing we've felt we've had to teach our kids at home - finding reliable sources what one is - looking for more than one source of information and see biases of the source.

There are also a lot of dangerous conspiracies out there too. I’m not saying you won’t get that stuff here, but maybe some people feel as though this is a trusted space they can get facts from?

So questions should be policed by whether you think they're ignorant or not?

I've always thought that, when learning, no question is too inconsequential to ask.

I've reported your troll hunting, BTW.

Yes but perhaps she was getting bogged down in all of that and decided to ask.

I'm glad my days of having to research stuff is over....because I could have 50 tabs open and still be fixating on trying to get an answer to a certain part and get completely sidetracked.

MN is a bizzare choice, but there's nothing wrong with asking questions on forums.