9/11 - what happened to the planes?

[myyve]

Thinking on from that awful day after the anniversary yesterday, one thought has come to mind.

What happened to the planes and those onboard, once they were flown into the twin towers? I know this probably does sound silly and I'm so sorry if it comes across as ignorant, but I truly do not know, and the internet doesn't mention anything, either..

Did they come to a crash landing afterwards? Or did they continue flying? What actually happened to the plane and those poor souls on board?

Ah...cross-posted!

I don't think MN was best place to ask such a question but at same time I a bit bemused so many have found it so offensive

Timing, probably, given that the anniversary was yesterday. There are thousands of films of massive fireballs after the planes hit the towers, so while 'what would have happened to the planes after they hit?' might be a reasonable question, asking Did they come to a crash landing afterwards? Or did they continue flying? What actually happened to the plane and those poor souls on board? comes across as obtuse.

Ask away OP, we all have gaps in our knowledge (even those being so scathing to you).

You've made me realise I haven't seen a video of the attack for many years now - but for those of us who were old enough to watch the footage live on TV at the time, the images are just seared in our memory. I think it's probably hard to understand for someone who has grown up with 9/11 as an even from the past, if that makes any sense. You've probably seen the videos in the past but they won't have had the same impact on you.

On another note, you've made me feel very very very old today OP so I will judge you harshly for that

I’ve never seen any footage and I expect there are plenty of other people who haven’t. I was a child when it happened so wasn’t aware at the time and think it would be a bit ghoulish to look the footage up. I agree MN isn’t the best place to ask (mostly because of the snarky attitudes of posters - even Reddit would have been better) but I wouldn’t have the first idea what debris there was from the planes so I don’t think it’s a strange question.

They were probably vaporised

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/was-there-fifth-9/11-plane-that-never-took-off-the-mystery-of-the-aircraft-article-103559788

I just googled a fifth plane and it doesn't seem to be official that there was just theories - still interesting and not something I'd heard before,

The full quote is “it was so long ago there were many adults who weren’t even born when it happened”.

But you knew that.

I didn't intend on it being an excuse, however I wasn't old enough to view the events as they happened like many others were

But you can still see the footage. It doesn't matter that you weren't watching as it happened.

@notimagain If I recall it correctly in one of the videos of the second impact you can see one of the engines traveling in arc beyond the towers.

Yes that is what I recall hearing at the time. In the US Gov Report there is a suggestion about 20 pages in that thrust was immediately cut from 100% to about 1% which supports what you say.

Of course, I am aware from the Ukraine War thread that you have real experience of aviation both in the military and then on civil craft and have contributed immensely to MN threads.

I think this point is very valid (although, of course, it’s not OP’s fault).

I think the internet has actually harmed research skills.

I would like to see specific research/critical analysis skills lessons, together with debating classes in each school.

Schools seem to be concentrating on indoctrination rather than education these days.

@myyve I think the aggression you're getting is because of the trauma of those of us that watched it.

It was beyond imagining and it's been quite upsetting to remember details reading this thread.

Lots of people have unprocessed trauma from it and will be extremely intense in their response as a result.

Look people. if you don't like a thread, scroll past.

Stop trying to police what people discuss and stop making stupid reports to MNHQ.

Unless it is racist, homophobic etc or incites harm, there is nothing wrong with discussing things.

I have only heard of Building 7 today, and I was alive (and an adult) at the time of 9/11.

People always say "how can you not know that". We all know different things. I read a press release this morning where the government was talking about an online safety bill meeting with celebrities, none of whom I'd heard of. No doubt many MNers would call me thick for that.

Also - people have discussed the atomic bombs and Japan on here, it wasn't that long ago, although I can't remember the context and exact thread now.

Aircraft are basically made of aluminium like a soda can. They are also pressurized. The fuel storage is in the wings. There are a hell of a lot of electrical wires on board and it doesn’t take much to imagine that the combo of tearing electrical wires and pressurized fuel isn’t going to bode well. They pretty much exploded and tore up into many tiny pieces. I imagine that the passengers were potentially aerosolised.

As for research skills, many people are no good at researching things at all. However, it forms part of my job, so I am very good at it. I still manage not to shout at the OP.

Seriously? What the hell do you think happens to a thin light metal tube when it crashes into concrete at several hundred mph?

Vaporised, obviously. I can’t believe anyone would actually ask this question, let alone a researcher 🤯

I am not a researcher. I am newly enrolled into this course I am completing and this is my first subject.

I also don't think the passengers suffered at the actual impact although they knew they'd been hijacked.

When that German pilot flew the German Wings plane into the mountains, they said that the people were killed on impact (sadly again they would have known it was going to happen as the other pilot was trying to get the door to the cockpit open).

But I don't think they would have suffered any physical pain and if they did it would have been for a fraction of a second.

For the sake f aggressivenesses sake, as per usual.

Why did you open the thread then? The title is very self explanatory. Stop trying to censor things you don't like.

I don't expect people to not discuss it but I do think that sometimes people seem to forget that there are many tens of thousands of us around who actually knew these people. Personally I have watched and read a lot as I feel I owe it to them to know what exactly happened, as far as I can.

I knew people in the South Tower. They were told to go back to/stay at their desks when the first plane hit the North Tower. Many who ignored that got out, some were evacuating when the 2nd plane hit, crashing right onto the floor where they were waiting to get lifts down. One guy in particular that I knew, he rang his wife to tell her that he was trapped on one of the top floors. I often wonder did he jump or die in the building. I'll never know and to be honest I'm not sure I want to.

You are very rude. No need for it.

OP, The Only Plane in the Sky is an excellent first hand account. The audiobook is voiced by people who were there, some from the President's office, others just 'ordinary' people.

Maybe - actually didn't clock the date - but the thread can be reported if people think there is cause for concern.

Though actually maybe the date could be why the OP suddenly had questions or why they have been told to research it.

Though it's not at all clear what research the OP is actually doing or what they need to know because it would be easier to point them in right direction if it was clear.

Some of the horrible replies to the OP are why MN gets a bad name. If you don't like it, scroll past.

I am actually asking as research for part of a case study I am working on. Not just for the hell of it, or because I want to know the morbid details. I am sorry again for asking. I just couldn't find any further information on this online.

Have you read the book "102 Minutes"? It's a really good account, includes witness testimony from many in the buildings. It will give you a good overall picture of the day.