Lucy Letby - new thread (part 2)

[anonymousamy]

A thread for anyone who was on the last one and wanted to continue the discussion.

What I cannot wrap my head around is Letby’s seemingly completely normal upbringing. Usually serial killers have displayed some kind of markers by the time they start killing, but AFAIK she literally had none. 100% believe she is guilty BTW - just cannot begin to understand it.

To say her colleagues weren’t making mistakes is just untrue though.

I'm not claiming her colleagues never made mistakes ever. Everyone makes mistakes.

The other poster (who's obviously one of the Letby Truther conspiracy theorists) claimed Letby only showed one of a list of signs of medical serial killers, which is obviously untrue, and claimed "Makes colleagues uncomfortable" as one of the signs Letby did not show.

The same poster then backtracked and said yes colleagues were uncomfortable with her, but only because she called them out on "their fuck ups."

That's a serious allegation yet the poster has not provided a lick of proof, and it's concerning how much the Letby Truthers are attacking and defaming everyone except Letby.

I'm not saying no other nurse ever made a mistake, but we have both court testimony and the podcast interview with direct quotes from the parents of the baby in question proving that at least two different nurses were uncomfortable with Letby because she reacted with inappropriate levels of anger to being denied unsupervised access to babies. Neither of those two incidents involved the other nurse "making a fuck up", as the other poster alleged.

Anyone claiming the only reason other nurses were uncomfortable with her is because they were "being called out on their fuck ups" is flat out lying and committing libel.

I hope there is a massive compensation fund for those poor families. Its heartbreaking to read what they went though

Please stop accusing the parents of the babies Letby targeted of being liars.

The Letby Truthers really have no shame.

it is vile that you are making such allegations against the parents.

One person and one person alone is guilty here.

No. Your comment was despicable and utterly beyond the pale.

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU call parents of the babies Letby targeted liars who are bandwagon jumping for attention. How fucking dare you.

Conspiracy theorists are the scum of the earth.

This is literally exactly what Alex Jones did after Sandy Hook.

Jesus wept. Just when you think the depths have been plumbed and then you come along, @swimminginthesun

@lifeturnsonadime

“One person and one person alone is guilty here.”

True. But many others could have stopped her sooner. The consultants who had suspicions for years but never called the police. The managers who ignored the suspicions of the consultants. The nurses who worked so closely with her but never raised any concerns. They all had a duty of care to those babies and they all failed them. Lucy is guilty but there is a wider set of circumstances that enabled her to act as she did.

I was reading in a news site there is a small group of conspiracy theorists who have got together to try to spread her “innocence” on line. Maybe under Richard gill who faces protection if he enters the uk.

I think some of that is going on on here. Some of it is utterly horrendous.

Sorry faces prosecution not protection.

You can edit posts now btw if you need to change something 🙂.

Completely agree with what you said though. It seems to be the new conspiracy theory and it's really distasteful.

There will be investigations and lessons will be learned.

But only LL is guilty. No one else. She was enabled not encouraged.

You have a lack of critical thinking skills if you think the circumstances made her a murderer rather than realising that she took advantage of the situation she was in and benefitted from it in order to commit her crimes.

Do not blame the consultants who tried to whistleblow and were forced to apologise. Do not blame an overrun NHS, blame the killer who has been found guilty of horrific crimes.

Yep. Itsnamechange made a very informative and eye-opening post about the two individuals behind the Truther Movement at the bottom of page 19.

The woman in particular (the one who started the Science on Trial site, which a whole bunch of brand new usernames have been spamming on MN and elsewhere) has a substantial history of trolling and harassing people on other forums, and she has a history of violence, mental illness and police/court involvement.

Also swimminginthesun doesn't seem to realise the baby in question (the one whose parents gave the interview talking about Letby's bizarre and angry behaviour) isn't actually dead - he's one of the babies who survived. So they've obviously not bothered to listen to the podcast, but is still happy to paint the parents as liars and attention-seekers.

Again, I didn’t call them liars. And I’m not sure what conspiracy you think I am a part of. I think she’s guilty.

The baby you are talking about was not part of the trial and, I assume, is not part of any current investigation. I’m not sure what purpose that interview had and I don’t think it was appropriate to do it while police investigations are still ongoing. But then the podcast is presented by Daily Mail journalists so…

Idly pondering. Is it just me or do certain different posters have a very similar style of prose?

@lifeturnsonadime
“She was enabled not encouraged.”

Agreed. That’s why I used the word “enabled”. At no point did I say anyone encouraged her.

I have listened to the podcast.
The two things that stand out for me is:

When the consultants raised their concerns to NHS management their concerns were consistently knocked back by the nursing side who said it was not a concern. Why were the nursing side so sure it wasn't a concern? The consultants were sure it was a concern but the nurses bosses were so sure it wasn't. Even if that's so, why weren't the consultants and the nurses having meetings to discuss this anomaly?

The other thing was the interview with one of the parents who said that they were never informed when their baby had had a insulin abnormality. That is very odd. Interviewer never asked if it was in the baby's medical records or what subsequently was the outcome.

@swimminginthesun The parents' testimony was crucial in the case of baby E in particular and it was shown that Letby lied about the timing of the mum's visit, because she had phoned her husband immediately afterwards. This was very important evidence as it showed how LL had falsified records to try and cover her tracks. It was particularly harrowing too, as the mum described hearing her son scream in pain. So to say it added nothing to the case or the parents' testimony is worthless, is factually completely wrong as well as being a disgusting comment.

yes, well spotted.

I heard the interview and they sounded understandably upset, Lucy had befriended them and stayed in touch with them after their son was discharged (adding them on fb which I don't think is very professional but I'm sure it goes on). They said on one evening the nurse looking after them told the parents that Lucy was really put out about not being his allocated nurse, the interviewer then said "she was angry", which was kind of putting words in their mouths and I also thought- would that nurse really have said that to parents of a patient about a colleague?

I think she's guilty by the way but I do think some recollections of her behaviour are skewed by what we know now which is understandable.

Incredibly so!

And when confronted or debunked they vanish and stop posting then another username immediately starts posting the same stuff. (Not everyone, but it's happened a few times.)

@voltacup The mum on the podcast says the other nurse said "My gosh, I can't believe how annoyed Lucy was that she didn't have your son tonight...she asked me about four or five times can she swap to have your son." She (the mum) said the nurse couldn't get over how really really irate she (Lucy) was about it.

So not really putting words in their mouths, it was only after that the interviewer used the word angry.