Page 12 | Lucy Letby - new thread (part 2)

anonymousamy · 2023-08-26T21:32:27+00:00

A thread for anyone who was on the last one and wanted to continue the discussion. What I cannot wrap my head around is Letby’s seemingly completely normal upbringing. Usually serial killers have displayed some kind of markers by the time they start killing, but AFAIK she literally had none. 100% believe she is guilty BTW - just cannot begin to understand it.

Elvera2 · 27/08/2023 21:51

There are some pretty unpleasant people on this thread, with such a lack of empathy they cannot see this as a real and traumatic event, and not an opportunity to play Miss Marple.

What do you mean, a traumatic event? It's not an event FFS. It's not an earthquake.

Do you mean to say that Lucy Letby got possessed by the devil who is to blame for the children's deaths? Do you think that people are born evil?

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2023 21:55

Cailleachian · 27/08/2023 20:26

I have no idea why the defence case was so weak, but on a positive note I think its potentially grounds for appeal.

It's not grounds for appeal because your defence lawyer couldn't find any witnesses to make out you were innocent.

Seriously 🙄

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2023 22:00

Mooshamoo · 27/08/2023 20:43

Someone wrote on here that there has been only one death in seven years, since Lucy left.

Someone else (who lives near Chester hospital) said that the death rate was still high after Lucy left, and was in fact at its highest peak two years after Lucy left.

Which is correct?

Both.

The neonatal deaths increased 2015/16 and decreased again after LL left the ward.

Perinatal deaths are still high and what's have been and include stillbirth and death in labour and straight after birth.

There is more than just LL involved in the wider issues of this hospital.

But when you look at the managements incompetence at the time it's no wonder things didn't improve.

CakeForAll21 · 27/08/2023 22:01

@Boudicasbeard

I live in Cheshire it's not a developed police force... most those officer would have never dealt with any investigation larger than petty crimes. I.e its probs the first murder case for most of them. You seem not beable to accept those facts.

You are applying the same standards to Cheshire police as a bigger city. Multi million pound operation is nothing for Cheshire as they do not spend the police budget most years anyways. They litterally spend millions on drink drivers each year as they have nothing else to spend the money on. This would of been like a kid in a candy store and they would of gone for her regardless. That is a well know issue with small area police forces.

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2023 22:03

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2023 21:10

So sewage inserted air bubbles into babies’ veins, overfed them and injected insulin overdoses into them? Clever old stuff, this shit.

🤣🤣

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2023 22:04

Your prejudice can be seen from space @CakeForAll21. This is pretty impressive.

Operation Hummingbird: The investigation behind the conviction of Lucy Letby

Operation Hummingbird is our investigation into the murders and attempted murders committed by Lucy Letby.Lots has been and will be written and broadcast by ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T33A90OCHQk

itsgettingweird · 27/08/2023 22:07

JanieEyre · 27/08/2023 21:27

Seventeen babies died at that hospital in 2 years, where sewage was bubbling up from the washbasins and dripping through the ceilings and now a young nurse is facing the rest of her life in jail, this is a complete scandal.

If that sort of issue was the cause of the deaths, there would be massive evidence of infection. It just wasn't there.

One of the first things the consultants looked at was of there was an infection in the unit.

They said they can't deny some babies had infection and some weren't given antibiotics quick enough.

But none had infection bad enough it would be expected to cause sudden collapse or death and not all babies had infection.

The only common thing they found was the rash (which they couldn't explain at first) and LL being on dirt at all events.

Clafoutie · 27/08/2023 22:10

truthhurts23 · 27/08/2023 16:33

. It's not based on anything at all.
Lucy said herself that her parents were smothering her and she was sick of it,
that’s a form of control

i would not be uprooting my whole life, for my child who murdered infants, especially not at that age
that’s the sort of coddling that partly created this monster in the first place

Show quote history

that’s the sort of coddling that partly created this monster in the first place

You have absolutely no idea whether or not that is true.

CakeForAll21 · 27/08/2023 22:14

@Blossomandbee

I am not prejudice. I live near the countess and I am pregnant. The hospital is a shit show without letby but we have this well we have the killer so lets just brush that under the carpet attitude going on. I hope they do have the bloody killer...

Lets be clear the deaths at the countess were high from 2011 and no one did anything. I read an article about it back in 2018 before the letby thing come out. (It was in welsh as they use the countess as well) but the death rate was pretty static.

I am kind of fed up with people from bigger cities treating Cheshire and Cheshire police like it is london and the met. The murder rate is the whole of Cheshire west so thats not just Chester is that low per the population it is recorded as 0.🤔where I Live there were 14 arrests last year and 12 of them were the same person 😂

millionmAh · 27/08/2023 22:15

Agree. Something is well off re the soundness of the conviction.

978q · 27/08/2023 22:16

Do we know why the post-mortems were not admitted into evidence, perhaps the coroner at the time they were carried out, would know the answer.

x.com/shaunlintern/status/1695678954500194462?s=46&t=OUdAtbyaZ6dfCdggD1gWbQ

ipredictariot5 · 27/08/2023 22:24

This reply has been withdrawn

This message has been withdrawn at the poster's request

paintityellow · 27/08/2023 22:28

Elvera2 · 27/08/2023 21:51

There are some pretty unpleasant people on this thread, with such a lack of empathy they cannot see this as a real and traumatic event, and not an opportunity to play Miss Marple.

What do you mean, a traumatic event? It's not an event FFS. It's not an earthquake.

Do you mean to say that Lucy Letby got possessed by the devil who is to blame for the children's deaths? Do you think that people are born evil?

What a strange, not to say distasteful response. What on earth are you on about?

Event as defined in the Cambridge dictionary: something that happens, especially something important or unusual:

TheAloe · 27/08/2023 22:29

I can’t believe her parents will still visit her.

For me, it crosses a line. Even with my own daughter. I couldn’t condone multiple murders in babies. I just couldn’t. I’m sure they will though. Complete odd balls. I don’t believe you’re born a psychopath it’s nurtured by caregivers. Their behaviour has been questionable. I don’t feel sorry for them. Not one bit.

978q · 27/08/2023 22:30

"LL also had just about the top barrister in the country to thoroughly test all the evidence. This also supports that this is a safe conviction"

How could probably the most important evidence, the post mortems, be tested when not admitted as evidence, yet experts were allowed to disparage them freely?

paintityellow · 27/08/2023 22:31

TheAloe · 27/08/2023 22:29

I can’t believe her parents will still visit her.

For me, it crosses a line. Even with my own daughter. I couldn’t condone multiple murders in babies. I just couldn’t. I’m sure they will though. Complete odd balls. I don’t believe you’re born a psychopath it’s nurtured by caregivers. Their behaviour has been questionable. I don’t feel sorry for them. Not one bit.

They're not condoning it. They believe she is innocent. She is also their only child. Have you no empathy?

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2023 22:32

978q · 27/08/2023 22:16

Do we know why the post-mortems were not admitted into evidence, perhaps the coroner at the time they were carried out, would know the answer.

x.com/shaunlintern/status/1695678954500194462?s=46&t=OUdAtbyaZ6dfCdggD1gWbQ

The now retired coroner who told the hospital that his office wasn’t “a quality assurance service for the NHS”? That coroner?

Upset12345 · 27/08/2023 22:32

TheAloe · 27/08/2023 22:29

I can’t believe her parents will still visit her.

For me, it crosses a line. Even with my own daughter. I couldn’t condone multiple murders in babies. I just couldn’t. I’m sure they will though. Complete odd balls. I don’t believe you’re born a psychopath it’s nurtured by caregivers. Their behaviour has been questionable. I don’t feel sorry for them. Not one bit.

They're probably in denial and believe she's innocent.

I can understand them and have sympathy for them.

I would still visit my child in prison, even if they were convicted for murder.

I feel sorry for them, Lucy Letby victimised her parents as well.

TheAloe · 27/08/2023 22:34

@Upset12345

I wouldn’t condone this case. I have no sympathy for “denial”. Very convenient. I find it odd that mothers would condone this. We have no idea who victimised who. The apple never falls far from the tree.

978q · 27/08/2023 22:42

It is perfectly clear from the ST link, who the coroner is.
Why do you think the PM's were deemed inadmissible, why do you think they wanted the coroner to review the PM's, in my opinion he very wisely refused.

TomPinch · 27/08/2023 22:42

978q · 27/08/2023 22:30

"LL also had just about the top barrister in the country to thoroughly test all the evidence. This also supports that this is a safe conviction"

How could probably the most important evidence, the post mortems, be tested when not admitted as evidence, yet experts were allowed to disparage them freely?

Why should they be admitted into evidence?

DocCee · 27/08/2023 22:47

HappiDaze · 26/08/2023 23:29

I wonder if perhaps she was jealous of the love of the parents to each other and their babies and wanted to destroy that love they had

I wondered exactly the same thing….that theory ties in with some of the notes found in her house too.

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2023 22:49

Why do you think the PM's were deemed inadmissible, why do you think they wanted the coroner to review the PM's

I don’t know. What do you think? You’re obviously keen to tell us.

DocCee · 27/08/2023 22:51

Hawkins009 · 27/08/2023 01:06

That seems odd line of questioning almost to unbalance or cause emotional response.

Why was that line of questioning used?

Show quote history

I’d imagine to demonstrate that she’d taken the hand over sheets/clinical notes home for a purpose..in this case she’d copied the mothers name from the document/s into Facebook to conduct a search…

Cheeseandlobster · 27/08/2023 22:51

TheAloe · 27/08/2023 22:29

I can’t believe her parents will still visit her.

For me, it crosses a line. Even with my own daughter. I couldn’t condone multiple murders in babies. I just couldn’t. I’m sure they will though. Complete odd balls. I don’t believe you’re born a psychopath it’s nurtured by caregivers. Their behaviour has been questionable. I don’t feel sorry for them. Not one bit.

It's easy to be smug and righteous when it is not your daughter. And not your only child at that. Calling them odd balls is massively out of order. From what I have read, all they are guilty of is loving their daughter and believing the best in her. Overprotective maybe yes, but that is hardly a crime