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SushiSuave · 2023-08-25T16:12:27+00:00

I never start threads about things in the news but this has shocked me. How on earth has this woman been found innocent when she was filmed kicking and hitting the horse?! I don't believe she caused lasting injury but surely being found innocent is condoning treating animals in this way?

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 26/08/2023 02:21

She's also a Pony Club Team Leader . I think i;d remove my child and their pony from that branch of the PC .

"So children, if we fail to tie our pony up properly and they escape , we don't hold the halter securely and pat his shoulder to give him confidence or tap his shoulder to move him on. We slap him stoutly round the face a good few times. That;ll teach them . And a hefty kick and a punch for good measure"........was never in any Pony Books I read .

Zipps · 26/08/2023 02:43

She's a nasty aggressive bullying cunt with anger issues. I don't think she should around animals or dc.

Flickersy · 26/08/2023 07:20

Clymene · 25/08/2023 22:35

The irony of someone who spends most of their time on FWR scolding women for prioritising women complaining about misogyny is not lost on me

I haven't seen a single person condoning the attacks on her children. Obviously it's not their fault she's their mother. That's bad enough in itself.

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Please could you quantify this nonsense with examples and demonstrate how it takes up "most" of my time, given I only post anywhere on MN a handful of times a week.

Flickersy · 26/08/2023 07:23

Whiskeypowers · 25/08/2023 22:35

Another way of looking at it is if she’d been able to control her temper in the first place and not punch her horse in the head then none of this would have happened

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Ah, another "she deserved it" line. Frequently trotted out by abusers. "If you hadn't done X I wouldn't have been angry" etc.

The only thing she deserved from her actions was an investigation and a trial and if necessary a punishment.

Nothing else.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 26/08/2023 07:32

The video footage made clear what happened and she didn't even deny it. I was really surprised she was found not guilty. It was a bad outcome, I think.

twistyizzy · 26/08/2023 07:33

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 26/08/2023 02:21

She's also a Pony Club Team Leader . I think i;d remove my child and their pony from that branch of the PC .

"So children, if we fail to tie our pony up properly and they escape , we don't hold the halter securely and pat his shoulder to give him confidence or tap his shoulder to move him on. We slap him stoutly round the face a good few times. That;ll teach them . And a hefty kick and a punch for good measure"........was never in any Pony Books I read .

Agreed and if any of DDs instructors behaved like she did then I would have removed DD from Pony Club

ichundich · 26/08/2023 07:39

Hawkins009 · 25/08/2023 20:45

And that is one of the primary reasons that if jury trials happen, then it should be experts that have knowledge of different aspects of the case, so they can offer a qualified analysis.

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You really don't understand the judiciary system at all.

"Expert evidence is admissible to furnish the court with information which is likely to be outside the experience and the knowledge of a judge or jury (Criminal Practice Direction V Evidence 19A Expert Evidence).
An expert witness can provide the court with a statement of opinion on any admissible matter calling for expertise by the witness if they are qualified to give such an opinion."

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/expert-evidence

Expert Evidence | The Crown Prosecution Service

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/expert-evidence

Hawkins009 · 26/08/2023 07:43

ichundich · 26/08/2023 07:39

You really don't understand the judiciary system at all.

"Expert evidence is admissible to furnish the court with information which is likely to be outside the experience and the knowledge of a judge or jury (Criminal Practice Direction V Evidence 19A Expert Evidence).
An expert witness can provide the court with a statement of opinion on any admissible matter calling for expertise by the witness if they are qualified to give such an opinion."

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/expert-evidence

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Fair points I don't, but the experts offer the evidence then it's up-to the jury to then vote for guilty etc presumably ?

What if instead the jury themselves were relevant people that had knowledge and understanding of different issues related to the case so then when other experts gave evidence then the new type of jury could critique the evidence in more detail due to having similar knowledge and understanding themselves.

Quirrelsotherface · 26/08/2023 07:49

I personally hope someone smacks her on her cats bum of a face next time she steps out of line. She can see how she likes it.

ichundich · 26/08/2023 08:02

Hawkins009 · 26/08/2023 07:43

Fair points I don't, but the experts offer the evidence then it's up-to the jury to then vote for guilty etc presumably ?

What if instead the jury themselves were relevant people that had knowledge and understanding of different issues related to the case so then when other experts gave evidence then the new type of jury could critique the evidence in more detail due to having similar knowledge and understanding themselves.

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The reason jurors aren't experts is so that they are unbiased. Selecting them at random ensures they are sufficiently diverse and include a wide range of perspectives.

Silverdogblue · 26/08/2023 08:15

Quirrelsotherface · 26/08/2023 07:49

I personally hope someone smacks her on her cats bum of a face next time she steps out of line. She can see how she likes it.

You sound like a 4 year old.

Hawkins009 · 26/08/2023 08:18

ichundich · 26/08/2023 08:02

The reason jurors aren't experts is so that they are unbiased. Selecting them at random ensures they are sufficiently diverse and include a wide range of perspectives.

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Which I can understand, but given the complexity of some tirals and that different experts have different interpretations, to evolve and improve the analysis of the experts information that's related to the case, would a more knowledgeable jury would be better, especially rather than just relying on a "expert" for interpretation

Quirrelsotherface · 26/08/2023 08:24

Silverdogblue · 26/08/2023 08:15

You sound like a 4 year old.

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Similar to someone not being able to control their emotions by kicking a horse and punching it in the face. Though my 6yo would know not to do that.

And I'm only human and her hard, pokey face annoys me.

BeagleMum1 · 26/08/2023 08:33

She's a nasty piece of work who when she got caught out and was taken to court, has tried to manipulate herself into being the victim. Classic DARVO tactics. I think she deserved to be found guilty, but regardless, her reputation is now in tatters and she will hopefully think twice before treating an animal like that ever again.

Also...she's only 39?!

Floraltears · 26/08/2023 08:54

I always thought the jury had to be a good mix of men and women, the fact this jury was 11 men and 1 woman may have helped this woman (particularly if any of them also hunt).

Whiskeypowers · 26/08/2023 09:30

Flickersy · 26/08/2023 07:23

Ah, another "she deserved it" line. Frequently trotted out by abusers. "If you hadn't done X I wouldn't have been angry" etc.

The only thing she deserved from her actions was an investigation and a trial and if necessary a punishment.

Nothing else.

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By actions you mean animal abuse

As for your distasteful tone deaf comment about abusers…. In my (considerable personal ) experience the thing you’ve done to make them angry is always something so normal and entirely innocuous like I don’t know making a cup of tea instead of coffee / going to the supermarket without a list / speaking to a member of the opposite sex / applying lipgloss to leave the house.
Not punching an innocent animal in the head.

ScottishWaylander · 26/08/2023 16:05

edwinbear · 25/08/2023 17:29

I think I'd need to hear from someone who knows about horses, how they are usually disciplined when they do something wrong. Obviously horses shouldn't be galivanting about by themselves, and it's not like you can verbally reason with them, but I'm clueless on how they are usually trained/disciplined. Albeit I would be surprised if physically hitting/slapping them around the face was par for the course.

The horse wasn't "gallivanting" around by itself. And even if it was, no reason to abuse it. Speaking as a horse owner, I'm disgusted by her behaviour; she lost her temper with the pony and took out her anger on it.

They pony had walked a few steps away which, yes, might have been dangerous on a road - but it's her job as a responsible owner to make sure the pony is being held by someone who is capable - for everyone's safety. In this case a child was holding it and the pony pulled away. Not the pony's fault.

Also, the idea that she was disciplining it is ridiculous! If you strike an animal after catching it, it will simply run faster next time, knowing what is in store.

I'm disappointed with this verdict because of the message it sends. But on a personal level, I think this lady has suffered punishment enough already.

mbosnz · 26/08/2023 17:55

She's a bully with extremely poor self control, and should find herself hounded out of every possible equestrian community as a result of her actions. Way to make a horse headshy lady, and extremely averse to coming to you to be caught, when it now knows it's going to be hit, kicked and punched when you get your nasty bullying mitts on him!

RocketIceLollie · 27/08/2023 06:33

She obviously lost her temper and took it out at the horse. Not sure why the video wasn't enough evidence to be honest. If that were a person doing that to her she would quite rightly be claiming assult. That she then had the cheek to come out having a pop at the media and social media for basically broadcasting what she had done after she got off just takes the piss to be honest.

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SushiSuave · 27/08/2023 20:43

I saw in the news today that she has got another job in a different school.

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Satsuma2 · 27/08/2023 20:59

I haven't had time to read the whole thread but wanted answer the thread.

I worked with horses for nearly forty years and I have never punched or beaten a horse as this woman has been filmed doing.It is not necessary or appropriate. I wonder what she does behind closed doors. No animal or human learns a thing from having seven types of shit beaten out of them. I hope she rots in hell.

MerryBeard · 27/08/2023 21:39

Flickersy · 25/08/2023 22:18

There's an awful lot of misogynistic language on this thread...

While her actions are morally unacceptable, it seems they do not meet the threshold in law for a criminal offence.

The death threats to her and her children are abhorrent and there's an awful lot of gleeful "she deserved it" victim blaming on that score. Two wrongs don't make a right and I'd argue death threats towards children are somewhat worse in any event.

Her points about trail by social media are pertinent in today's society where it can significantly hamper a fair trial in an actual court.

She didn't care about 'two wrongs don't make a right' when she abused her horse for not doing her bidding.

Is a threat worse than repeated smacks in the face and a booted kick in the chest? Worse than a disproportionate punishment that the animal stood no chance of comprehending or learning from?

Her points about social media seem to arise from her entitled indignation at being caught rather than for any desire for a fair trial for others. If justice was her desire she'd have owned up to the abuse that was clearly caught on film.

It tells you something about her lack of control and/or her belief that the hunting people around her would condone it, that she stooped to behaviour roundly condemned by the experienced horsemen and women on this thread.

She is a wrong 'un. Misogyny has incidental, not fundamental in her case. If what she did isn't a criminal offence then it should be.

Saskiabea · 27/08/2023 22:07

When these animal abuse cases come to court there's should be a dubbed sound track - I imagine the verdict would have been very different if the film of this evil woman kicking her pony had been dubbed with a child saying 'Sorry mummy, please don't hurt me, I won't do it again'. Or maybe show a film of a parent kicking and slapping their child because they needed to be 'taught how to behave'! Come on - when are are we going to realise that if you take on a companion animal, you don't abuse it. And let's stop using animals to hunt other animals. Let's raise our human consciousness and promote kindness instead of cruelty.