Lucy Letby - new thread

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No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here.

I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

Lucy's Dad became very involved and vocal when she was pulled off the ward.

He went in to the hospital and spoke to the appalling negligent and incompetent management team.

He threatened to report all the Consultants to the GMC

His actions and misplaced loyalty cost babies their lives

Her parents will need a lot of counselling to come to terms with what their daughter has done.

I would like to know more about them and their relationship with Lucy.

And I want to know more about why a grown up, adult woman had her dad come into her workplace and get involved

That's bizarre

I think with serial killers they just seem to carry on till they get caught

It's like some weird compulsion they probably can't explain

Especially when they get away with and have people fighting their corner actually allowing it to carry on

That's mad part

They fucking knew

And yet did fuck all about it

I would love to see videos or hear recordings of her interviews with the police

I think also that Letby may not know why she did it or at least, not in a way that she can articulate. Trying to make sense of madness is a pointless exercise. I believe she has persuaded herself that she is not guilty and it could be a very long time, if ever, before she can face the truth never mind unpack what led to this.

A long slow torture chamber for life would be too good for her.

Don’t know if it’s my catholic background …but I believe theres some evil in this world that cannot yet be ‘scientifically’ or ‘psychologically’ explained.

The judge said she was remorseless, accepted no responsibility, and there are no mitigating factors.

I can't help thinking she's insane by definition - not that it lessens her responsibility in this case, she knew what she was doing and knew it was wrong by every societal standard we hold - but what she did is absolutely contrary to our basic evolutionary psychology. If she were a member of any other social species, she'd be put down by (or killed by the other members of the social group). I was talking about her with my mum yesterday and she referred to her as 'this...[pause]...woman'. She hesitated before the word woman.

Thank you. My thoughts exactly. I find many of the comments about her looks background etc get my back up as I know if it were someone that looked more like me, people wouldn’t be speaking like this. Also wrt trying to humanising them, wanting to understand their motives, saying they must be mentally unwell, but if a non white does it, then they’re pure evil full stop. You wouldn’t get people posting photos of them looking ‘normal’ etc I find it odd. Similar to how the media reports differently on the background the criminal comes from. This thread(s) just shows how much people base judgements on appearances. She’s a murderer, her appearance means nothing to me.

@Nodeepdiving

the evidence was

• always on shift when baby deaths happened (defence say she took on more shifts than most people)
• there was deliberate insulin tampering (she says wasn’t her though)
• they found handover sheets (but she had massive of sheets not related to babies too)
• she looked up parents on fb (but she looked up everyone on fb)
• she wrote notes saying stuff like “it’s my fault, I’m evil”
• a doctor said he saw her not doing anything when a baby was declining
• she wrote a card for parent who’s baby died

The documentary explained why this circumstantial evidence is still evidence and likely to be accurate however there was no smoking gun no witnesses and no accepted motive. Just giving both sides

Yes totally agree, this kind of sums it up for me

Very interesting to hear people say about a racial element in this. Obviously the precious babies and their families are protected but I think may have been from ethic minorities after looking deeper.

@DTCM Doubt it, Chester isn't that diverse. Its more that her white privilege protected her for a long time.

This video is very good and resonates with my thoughts on Motive:

@Wishihadknown I'm not white either and I know what you're saying. She doesn't look 'nice' to me even in her candid social media photos: she looks hard and cold and a bit frightening. However, I'm also aware I'm just interpreting that retrospectively. I had a colleague (a criminologist, I'm a sociologist) who interviewed several serial killers in prison and he assured me they don't 'look' like anything in particular. They look like people. Like any person in the street.

I think it's the media that has pushed this notion of her looking 'normal'. As usual people readily believe what they see in the media.

I think she looks quite thuggish in some of the photos.

So are you saying you see her truly, unlike the gullible masses?

I don't know about how she looks, I don't think she behaved ( outside of the murders which are obviously shocking) very normally in 2015/16 she was 24 or 25 it is odd that she choose to work at level 2 neonatal unit close to home rather than in a bigger unit to get experience, I suspect that was to escape detection ( smaller unit, les scuntiny) the coverage states she was sometimes the only nurse on duty- again a strange choice for a 25 year old. She had an infatuation with an ( one assumes) older married Dr,again not typical for someone who is psychologically well adjusted. I have also read that she herself had a difficult birth- I wonder if she had an undiagnosed brain injury......

I do not think she was typical 24/25 year old.

Absolute nonsense

I believe there's some theory or other that suggests that the act of falling in love is actually a form of temporary mental illness which makes us think and act irrationally.

If she really did do it just to get the attention of the consultant she was supposedly having an affair with then that sort of figures as an extreme example of the theory.

It sounds like she maybe possibly also enjoyed getting sympathy from her parents, who thought she was going through the trauma of the deaths, so would have heaped lots of attention and sympathy on to her. Little knowing she continued to kill to get their and other people attention attention

I think that this is about class rather than race. I think certain members of the middle class have this cloak of protection around them, so if they are suspected of committing a crime ‘outside’ of their class, there’s an automatic assumption of disbelief. Murder or attempted murder is seen as a working class crime, especially serial murder, despite all evidence to the contrary.

This is something that affects both sexes, think about how we treat middle class family annihilators compared to working class men who do the same.

If Letby was working class with a strong accent and born to parents in a council house, how much of this would have happened and how many would be defending her, white, blonde hair, nursing degree or not?

Even the way we view her family would be different, Dad’s actions would be seen by management as aggressive, threatening and unwanted rather than understandably protective. Mum would be seen as hysterical or ‘gobby’ rather than distraught when she interrupted court proceedings and centred herself in her daughter’s arrest.

We are looking for excuses for their odd behaviour, because from the outside, they are just like us, our parents, friends.
We ascribe our own thoughts and feelings to all three of them because of their class.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-trial-of-lucy-letby/id1653190055?i=1000612203397

this episode gives her version of events - very hard to listen to

@bellac11
"I still dont understand what the managmenet thought was causing the excess deaths, did they not worry that a nurse/some nurses were doing a bad job?"

It seems they thought LL was being victimised.
However, it is only after going to the police that LL's computer was taken to analyse (hence her 'stalking' the bereaved parents on social media), and her house searched, with all the hospital notes - which LL should not have taken, and all her postit notes discovered.
As I understand it, the babies with a spike in insulin were the 'smoking gun'. It was not a natural insulin, but a manufactured insulin, and had to be deliberately injected somehow. So this could not be negligence in any way.
Also, listening to an outside paediatrician brought in to examin the deaths, he pointed out that these tiny babies would have an almost immediate reaction.