Lucy Letby - new thread

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No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here.

I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

I think she did it because she liked the drama and the attention. I think there must be at least two things going wrong inside her brain - the pathological need for drama and attention (which many people can relate to to a greater or lesser extent, I know I do) and also a total lack of empathy/inability to see others as real people, there must also be a huge amount of narcissism to believe that she would never be caught. That's a pretty deadly combination for a nurse. It is shocking that she wasn't caught sooner. A real failure of the system. Hopefully we will see accountability and changes.

That’s what I thought until I read more into the case. But many of the babies attacked were doing really well.

The triplets for example were born healthy, they were a good weight and seemed to be doing fine. And the two who were killed were actually the strongest ones, it is only the weakest of the three who was not attacked.

How long had she worked as a nurse before her first victim though?

@IfICantHaveYou 2011

Then she just killed babies no matter what; this makes it worse as there is no purpose behind it; God Complex is evil, but that evil has a purpose; but this is so much worse.

@IfICantHaveYou she qualified in 2011 so 4 years

Thanks! So what, after 4 years, made her start? Is the doctor she was obsessed with the key

Well.they are looming into.other deaths prior to her working on the unit
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The police are looking into previous deaths when she worked in Liverpool, and when she was a student. So she could've started much earlier

Cross Post!

If this is the case that is so much worse.

Surely, she must be mentally ill to have committed such heinous crimes? I can’t understand how a sane person could do it.

I never realised it was a level 2 care unit. My kids were in a level 3 (my eldest was on life support/intubated) the unit Letby was on was Level 2, these babies are not the highest risk babies, they’re expected to go home well after a little help. It’s not expected they would die. Not at the rate they did and still the hospital didn’t listen to the doctors who were the experts.

The police have asked a group of neonatologists to look at all 4000 babies admitted to COCH and Liverpool from the beginning of LLs training

Approx 30 further suspicious cases have been identified and the parents are being contacted - this includes a baby death at Liverpool Womens

When did this 6 month gap happen? - not disclosed in any trial evidence or reliable timelines

Or just plain evil

I can't understand why the managers protected her over the consultant pediatricians,I mean yes she was a highly trained nurse but in terms of authority she was lows down in the pecking order I would gave thought paediatricians,concerns would have been taken far more seriously.

Really? Good. (I think it would be neglectful not to now). There should also be a big overhaul of systems in the hospital that allowed her to continue for so long
(perhaps rolled out nationally if it wasn't simply a specific set of circumstances?)

Yes, she seemed to be treated as "everyone's special girl" for some reason. I think I read that she used to go for coffee with one of the nurses in management (I'm guessing a sort of mentorship thing probably if she was seen as a 'star').

Mentally Ill is such a broad spectrum; someone with schizophenia is mentally ill, someone with depression is mentally ill- yet they are not the same and also someone can have both.

The human brain is complicated, we can name anomalies of the brain, but the person with this also has a personality with complicates things.

I work with people with ID, two people can have the same diagnosis on paper, but have different outcomes due to character and environment; there will obviously be similarities but also differences.

I think people stereotype disabilities (I know they do)schizophrenics talk to themselves, depressed people stay in bed all day, intellectually disabled people dont understand anything, even though in the majority this is false.

Therefore Lucy was seen as a normal regular person and got away with it.

Please elaborate on the 'racism' angle. Thanks

Yes please.

They should have been taken seriously and is absolutely something that needs addressing and in my opinion changing. Consultants nowadays have such little autonomy about departments that they are clinically responsible for. It's very messed up. But from what I can see senior management thought that they were bullying LL so that's the stance they took. When the medical director handed over his position to the next medical director his last leaving comment on the handover to the new director was that all 7 paediatricians needed reporting to the GMC!!

@medianewbie ''Lucy Letby may have harmed dozens more babies, police fear''

Guardian 20th August