Lucy Letby - new thread

[anonymousamy]

No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here.

I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

The media kept showing us that smiling photo of when she was younger. Which fucked with our heads.

The actual photo of her arrest they are now plastering all over the place shows the face of a killer. This makes us think oh ok yes I see it now.

I don't understand this idea another poster mentioned that murdering a newborn isn't as terrible as murdering a 2 year old which isn't as bad as murdering a 10 year old? Do people really think like that? I find that very disturbing. Personally I'd say that murdering a completely helpless newborn who may not even be able to breathe on their own, can't possibly attempt to alert anyone and who can only lay there and suffer is about as low as it gets. It's difficult to get more vulnerable than a premature or ill baby in NICU. Though considering that we're talking about murdering someone whether they're a week old, 10 or 30 we've already reached the peak of despicable.

I can’t understand how her friend/s still believe she is innocent with all the evidence there is. I know it must be hard to accept she did these hideous crimes, but there must come a point where you have doubts.

I wonder if the babies she killed or attempted to ,were babies she developed an unhealthy attachment to , babies she loved and who would go home and leave her .

Yes, I would want to know why the senior managers were not more resistant to vexatious complaints by the parents of the staff member who was under safeguarding investigation.

It's strange that she didn't carry out any internet searches related to her actions, nothing dark or twisted. Or even medical searches to do with the effects her actions would produce. She wasn't on any forums with like minded people etc etc.

Maybe it was all in her nursing text books after all she wasn't a novice like when you read a story of a parent who has killed their child Googling ' what would happen if....'

It also occurred to me that there have been no "friends" coming out to say she was weird at school or once threw scissors across a classroom at someone, or was cruel to animals. She obviously wasn't particularly disliked by anyone at school or elsewhere. Clearly she had a very dark inner core that nobody was aware of.

As for people being naysayers, some of us are old enough to remember cases like the Sally Clark case (accused of MbP (a term which is no longer used, by the way), and convicted on statistical evidence). And you don't need to be older to know about the Horizon prosecutions - we know that miscarriages of justice CAN happen.

But the evidence seems far more robust in this case and the jury took their time. I can completely understand why people think there's a chance she's being scapegoated for the wider failings of the NHS. However, in this case the wider failings of the NHS are only too clear and would have been even if she had merely been incompetent - and hopefully something will finally change.

@Escapetofrance it's showing how vital relationships are.
She was obviously a compelling person, people did trust from her demeanour.

I think it's perfectly natural to struggle to come to terms with with it. I think of my own friends and yes I would struggle to thinks they did a long cold campaign of violence against babies.
I think many of us are bewildered and struggling to come to terms with the sheer enormity of what she has done.

Our brains and emotions are deep set.
I'm sure they will come to terms with it and full realise the extent of it.

In a way I wonder if it's the same compulsion an addict feels. They'd sell their granny, raid parents' savings, sell their bodies, do absolutely anything to get the 'fix'. All sense of right and wrong is suspended in the pursuit of that 'feeling'.

I have no qualifications in this but like many, just trying to wonder how someone can get to that point. Addiction is the only thing I can come up with.

I think the judge stated she was highly intelligent which I guess may go some way to explain this. It seems so unheard of to inflict the actions she did with air - one of the doctors had to even research it. Im surprised they didn’t find evidence of her researching terrible things like this.

@Anythingbutsnow

In video clip posted earlier she talks about "knowing what to look for" in pale baby ( in the dark).

I think after so many years in that speficic area she would instinctively know it all. The amount send they deal in are tiny. Someone said on the daily mail podcast, think of a 5ml Calpol spoon, these babies are being fed a few drops on that spoon of milk, every few hours and that's how small the amounts are. She would know giving them more would be catastrophic.

She’s a trained nurse and has an honours degree in padeatric nursing, even lay people know the risk of air bubbles in veins, from either injections or tv programs, and most medical staff would know the risk of overdose of insulin, as would many diabetics, and of course then there is the babies where it was physical violence, which again everyone would have known .

The sisters and ward managers should have picked up on some odd behaviour from her in terms of working hours much sooner.

She was coming in for long shifts (12hr) hours early and leaving hours late. Coming in on days off (not on overtime) to "check" on the parents and patients - especially in the room 1.

They wouldn't have been aware of this partcualrly, but also using hospital systems to get addresees to send sympathy cards on the day of the babies funerals.

After deaths of patients (obviously now known to be some of the murders) she was rostered to other parts of the unit with less critical patients for duty of care (to her) reasons and she was angry and agressive about this, taking it as a slight and demanding to be back in room 1 where the most premature babies were.

What an absolute twisted mind to do this. Evil through and through

I agree with pp's that she may have had some form of munchausens. I think she enjoyed being at the centre of a tragedy and playing the kind nurse.
I don't understand how she could induce suffering and pain to the babies though without also being a psychopath.

It's disgusting that she was allowed to refuse to be there at her sentencing, where parents will read out victim statements. She should be made to listen to it all.

No doubt in my mind that she's guilty after watching the short documentary on BBC iplayer, which explains the evidence very well.

The only thing I want more information on is why she wasn't investigated earlier when doctors raised concerns. I don't believe management staff have given an explanation for their decisions yet?

This.
I don’t know the procedures but wouldn’t someone take a union rep rather than their dad to such a meeting.

@Thepowerhouseofthecell well she seems to have uber regulated emotions and is in control to what I find a extremely sinister degree.

Remeber nurse rachet from one who flew over the cuckoo's nest. People like her scare me more than this e who loose their temper. When people loose their temper they wear they're emotions on their sleeve.
Cold calculating people you can't pin them down.

@PuttingouthefirewithGasoline

Yep. Probably why I’m never going to make it into secondary school leadership. I’m not a raving narcissist and I can’t control my emotions, what you see is what you get 😂. I do care about people though so that ticks me off the list for the job I guess.

The sad thing is that probably her keenness and enthusiasm to do "extra" work (unpaid) on top of many extra shifts to cover shortages etc was seen as being great knowing the staffing issues in the NHS.

But it doesn't make any sense, just because she's not smiling and isn't posing doesn't mean we can "see the evil", otherwise you'd see evil when you saw my passport photo compared to my insta posts. It's all nonsense. Is it more because she's an innocuous looking woman.

If you lined up all the social media photos of people who have committed murder I doubt you'd see anything but smiling happy normal looking people (and 90% men).

Absolutely but the doctor did have to research if this would cause the rashes. Being so obvious didn’t seem to make it spottable by others though did it :(

All the high profile murders in recent years were committed by normal looking men - we don't seem to get as confused by that.

It's horrible to think about, but we don't yet know what will come out of further investigations into her previous workplaces.

It is possible she didn't need to look anything up, because she had already done her own 'experiments'.

@halfandhalfcoffee

Yes I should imagine there was a compulsive element to it. The thrill was just too tempting I think.