Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

The other thing is that had their concerns been properly acted on, they may have more than circumstantial evidence e.g. had CCTV cameras been installed if there wasn't enough evidence to ban her from working, or to clear other colleagues names. They have been installed to catch parents harming children for starters. It seems incredible to me that no footage of her obtaining the things she used or doing the acts is available at all in an entire hospital.

Miscarriages of justice happen all the time. See Andrew Malkinson.

And the Horizon scandal with the post office workers.

However, that doesn't mean there's been one in this case.

I wonder if she was envious of the families she saw, liked the drama/thrill, and wanted to draw attention from the married Dr she was sleeping with, as he would often be alerted to attend after one of her attacks.

In the end, she did it because she wanted to, and she could.

Horrendous.

There are a few strange things coming out about her parents.

Her mother crying out 'take me instead' when she was arrested.

Her father attending a mediation meeting about her at the hospital (a previous poster mentioned this).

Neither of these seem normal for parents of an adult.

Just made me think about the whole family dynamic. Maybe she was brought up in the belief that she could never be wrong?

Absolutely this or tie her to a board (Hannibal Lecter style) & wheel her in with clamps on her eyes to force her to look & a gag in her mouth to ensure she cant make a noise & disrupt proceedings.

Waste of money. The NHS won't change until it made to. The government needs to pass legislation. It could do something useful for once before the next election.

I can’t help but think that management’s refusal to accept the possibility of her wrongdoing may have been influenced by their inability to accept that this girl next door could have been murderous at best, negligent at worst.

instead it was proposed that the paediatricians should be referred to the GMC?!!

@Gothambutnotahamster how stupid

In her notes where she writes that she'll never have a family I see that as being connected to being thwarted by the consultant she had an infatuation with. She's surrounded by loving couples and can't be part of that, feeling out of control, needing to assert control on an unkind universe.

When I had a miscarriage I felt horribly and weirdly angry with jealousy around those who were pregnant or had just had babies. It was feral and unpleasant but obv I wouldn't have done or said anything. Maybe for some people the self control switch just isn't there especially if you think no one will notice.

Probably not the right time for speculation in any case, it's just so desperately sad for the families.

Ok this might be outing but I used to work for a NHS Trust. Our manager was similarly young, blonde, blue-eyed etc. She was an absolute bully to the admin and clinicians but it was done discreetly. She was sweet as pie to senior bosses. When a few of us (we happened to be POC but tbh she was nasty to all her staff) finally plucked up the courage to report the bullying, she shed crocodile tears in the mediation meeting and said we were bullying her! We were gobsmacked. She was believed over us and the those of us who complained left that toxic workplace and in fact the NHS, over the next 3 months. She was found out, eventually. But it was too little, too late. Some of the staff had poor mental health as a result of her bullying. Sounds like not much has changed.

Pure evil. Rest in peace little angels

That wasn’t what was expected of him. His primary duty as chief executive was to protect the health and safety of the patients in the trust’s care. He knew that, all the staff knew that. He had - and probably has - not a shred of integrity.

In the end, she did it because she wanted to, and she could

Exactly. That's why Allitt did it, why Shipman did it, why all Medical Serial Killers do it.

They do not see their victims as having any value whatsoever.
It's just another day to them, when they murder a patient.

Apparently she was in love with one doctor (a married father of 2 with an anonymity order who in the end came to court to give evidence against her) and Letby might have even caused emergencies to get him to the ward so she could see him. This case is so sad I have hardly read about it even at the start as it is too upsetting. Those poor babies.

One Guardian article mentions striking similarities to Beverley Allitt: British serial killer with Munchausen by proxy, who purposely sickened and killed a number of minor children. She was also a nurse.

My main confusion is I thought all hospital meds were counted and recorded what was being taken out and by who and you needed your badge to go in there to record who was in and when to tally it up, is this incorrect? Would that not of shown insulin going missing that wasnt recorded as being used?

It was noticed but executives were trying to avoid involving the police it has been alleged.

Oh come on, what more do you want!!!!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4875172-lucy-letby-guilty-thread-2

NHS management hate whistleblowers, you are inconvenient and a nuisance.
They have targets now and are too busy trying to gain the next investing in people award or stonewall champion award, too busy with their own personal targets that if you raise a concern you are seen as throwing a spanner in the works and therefore need to be managed out.
Until there is some sort of consequence for ignoring when concerns are raised and later found to be justified. They will continue to pad out their CV's with their list of achievements and continue to move from one hospital to the next and climb the ladder.They arent there for the patients, they are their for their careers.
I have seen so many directors come and go. They have no healthcare experience, they are purely corporate in their outlook, they visit a ward once when they get the job then never come near one again. patients are numbers and statistics for reaching targets.

I feel sorry for the consultants who raised concerns. They probably had no idea what was actually happening or the scale of it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and it's unimaginably horrific. That's obvious by the shock that so many of us are feeling at the reality of this.

She is the guilty one and it's easy to look around and blame others for their failings but she is the killer. But those managers who failed to act on suspicions should be utterly ashamed (and face consequences). No doubt they couldn't believe such a thing would happen but it's no excuse. Absolutely disgraceful.

Horrifying. I thought the NHS had learned from the Beverley Allit case, but obviously not.

The stats show a bump of incidents. It’s not just about the frequency though. Consultants who have worked in units like this for years would have a much more nuanced feel of what was likely to happen, could happen, was unlikely to happen or very unlikely to happen to a specific baby. They’ve seen thousands of babies over the years. They’re used to looking at cases where if A happens, in 20% of cases it can lead to B and in 2% of that 20% to C. Obviously there will be exceptions, but they were seeing incidents that didn't fit into the normal patterns. Not one, not two but double figures - incidents where the babies involved were becoming desperately ill in unpredictable ways.

Yes - their victims are not a valid person to them, just a thing with no worth other than their gratification.

She has shown emotion, but only for herself. She's learned how to fake concern and care, but even her texts show her wording is manipulative and intended to create a certain picture.

To have that level of skill in manipulation, no empathy and a 'butter wouldn't melt' persona/look - it was a lethal combination that meant she could harm the most vulnerable little humans on the planet.

God knows what more harm she would have inflicted if not caught.