Page 13 | £8.10 on a flipping chicken!

mnahmnah · 2023-08-13T14:39:45+00:00

Went to Lidl yesterday to spend as little as possible on a small shop to get us through the weekend. Needed a chicken for Sunday dinner and as a vegetarian I didn’t want to hang around looking at them all. I was sure I picked one from the shelf labelled as £3.75. DM has just informed me that it was a free range fancy chicken costing £8.10 on the label! Already in the oven. It had better be a bloody gorgeous chicken for the people eating it! I don’t even benefit! What’s been your most costly shopping mistake? Make me feel less stupid please!

x2boys · 14/08/2023 16:57

RoyalGala · 14/08/2023 16:54

I never said I agreed, you’re making assumptions that people who buy £4 lattes, can afford more expensive meat. Do you not understand that some people budget to afford more expensive meat and forgo those luxury items.

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And do you not understand that some people can neither afford lattes or £15 chickens ?

Mademetoxic · 14/08/2023 16:57

x2boys · 14/08/2023 16:55

So you keep.saying its also morally wrong trying to.make people who are less privileged than others feel.bad about buying food at a price they can afford .

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All I said was people do not need meat to have a healthy diet.
Why have you taken umbridge over that comment?

Eat meat less. Everyone should be doing this.

A chickens life is worth more than a coffee shop drink. End of.

x2boys · 14/08/2023 16:58

Mademetoxic · 14/08/2023 16:57

All I said was people do not need meat to have a healthy diet.
Why have you taken umbridge over that comment?

Eat meat less. Everyone should be doing this.

A chickens life is worth more than a coffee shop drink. End of.

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In your opinion

Tryingtokeepgoing · 14/08/2023 17:01

x2boys · 14/08/2023 16:27

Here's a thought people who can regularly go a buy a large latte for £4 are probably not the same people who.will be spending £3.75 on a chicken
People have different budgets
Its all very well feeling morally superior but why should less privileged people not eat meat ?

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It wasn't meant as a morally superior position, rather an observation that as a society somethings wrong if we (collectively, not as individuals) value a takeaway hot drink more than a chicken

Mademetoxic · 14/08/2023 17:02

x2boys · 14/08/2023 16:58

In your opinion

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What you're saying is that it's my it's morally right that a coffee shop drink should cost more than a chicken?

Mademetoxic · 14/08/2023 17:03

Tryingtokeepgoing · 14/08/2023 17:01

It wasn't meant as a morally superior position, rather an observation that as a society somethings wrong if we (collectively, not as individuals) value a takeaway hot drink more than a chicken

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Exactly my point.

blackheartsgirl · 14/08/2023 17:04

Good grief typical mumsnet.

yes we would all love to buy organic chicken that’s had a wonderful life but for a lot of families this isn’t an option now.

I buy the cheap chicken, I don’t know anyone who regularly buys organic chicken in real life, they’re to busy trying not to starve 🙄

x2boys · 14/08/2023 17:06

blackheartsgirl · 14/08/2023 17:04

Good grief typical mumsnet.

yes we would all love to buy organic chicken that’s had a wonderful life but for a lot of families this isn’t an option now.

I buy the cheap chicken, I don’t know anyone who regularly buys organic chicken in real life, they’re to busy trying not to starve 🙄

Quite
And whilst it would be lovely to have principles most of us just want to feed our families.

WisherWood · 14/08/2023 17:07

x2boys · 14/08/2023 16:39

So poor people shouldn't eat meat nice ,🙄
Yes I'm sure pulses and lentils will.stop.people from starving but they are only appetisng if you like them

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I've not actually noticed Lee Anderson posting on this thread so I don't think anyone has said that poor people shouldn't eat meat. You seem to want to take offence rather than consider the issues. People should be able to make food choices based on factors other than price. It's not that the poor shouldn't eat meat, but that they shouldn't be poor - and we need to find a systemic way to fix that, rather than blame the poor. But likewise, chickens shouldn't live lives of misery so that anyone, rich or poor, can have cheap meat.

Ickystickystickystickybubblegum · 14/08/2023 17:09

WisherWood · 14/08/2023 17:07

I've not actually noticed Lee Anderson posting on this thread so I don't think anyone has said that poor people shouldn't eat meat. You seem to want to take offence rather than consider the issues. People should be able to make food choices based on factors other than price. It's not that the poor shouldn't eat meat, but that they shouldn't be poor - and we need to find a systemic way to fix that, rather than blame the poor. But likewise, chickens shouldn't live lives of misery so that anyone, rich or poor, can have cheap meat.

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It has been said several times that unless you only buy free range organic animal products you should not eat them.

In reality, there is no quick fix for allowing folks access to food that isnt mass produced and packed. But you are right, its a situation where we have to punch up, not down. Shaming people will never get anywhere.

RoyalGala · 14/08/2023 17:12

FinallyPeakedNow · 14/08/2023 16:50

Cats as a species existed before humans, sure. But, (and I find this embarrassing to have to point out to you): wild cats are not the same as pets. How ridiculous to suggest domesticated pet cats could possibly have existed before humans decided to domesticate them.

"Did you know?The domestic cat originated from the African wildcat subspecies, Felis sylvestris lybica, around 10,000 years ago, and subsequently spread with humans throughout the world. It can hybridise with the wildcat, causing loss of genetic diversity." (quotation from the Wildlife Trust website.)

No one is feeding wild cats fancy food made by humans from the carcasses of less fortunate animals bred by humans for this purpose, letting them shit in the neighbours gardens and encouraging them to sleep on the furniture as far as I know, though I am clearly embarrassingly uneducated on the subject. Eager to be proved wrong here.

"Domestic cats (Felis catus) are predators that humans have introduced globally, and that have been listed among the 100 worst non-native invasive species in the world. Free-ranging cats on islands have caused or contributed to 33 (14%) of the modern bird, mammal and reptile extinctions recorded by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List4." (quotation from nature.com website)

And these are cats who are also being fed minced-up badly-treated large mammals whose rearing contributes to the further destruction of natural habitat. BY HUMANS

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You said cats were created for human play things which was incorrect, you’ll find throughout ancient history, they played a role alongside humans lives before domestication (rodent control etc).
Cats are obligate carnivores, they have no choice but to eat meat, humans do, there’s a difference. The choice is more cats hunting and decimating wildlife further (they have the right to eat) or providing meat, feeding them a plant-based diet or omnivore diet would do them harm.
As much as you want to quote statistics, I think you at least agree that humans cause far more damage to the planet and are far more responsible for animals becoming extinct.

Cats shitting (who knew) and sleeping on furniture is irrelevant here.

BloodandGlitter · 14/08/2023 17:13

SallyWD · 14/08/2023 09:58

You're showing that you think it's normal to kill spiders etc. Despite having a fear of spiders I have never killed one. I always put them outside. My cat brings in mice and I catch them and release them. There are many of us who literally wouldn't hurt a fly!

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Just to point out I don't squash spiders I happily let them live in my house and am in the process of setting up an enclosure to raise a jumping spider. I also have 11 pet rats.
I just wondered because of the amount of hysteria you see on here when someone has a spider in their home or rats.

Mademetoxic · 14/08/2023 17:15

x2boys · 14/08/2023 17:06

Quite
And whilst it would be lovely to have principles most of us just want to feed our families.

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You seem to be taking offence over everything which is said.

Nobody has ever said that 'poor people' shouldn't eat meat.

But people should be aware where their food comes from, and that 'cheap' often comes at a cost for the farmers and unfortunately the chickens paying the price.

But it's morally wrong that a coffee shop drink costs more than a chicken.

RoyalGala · 14/08/2023 17:17

x2boys · 14/08/2023 16:57

And do you not understand that some people can neither afford lattes or £15 chickens ?

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That’s not what you said though, you were making assumptions that people who can afford a latte for £4, can also afford to pay for higher welfare chicken when that’s not a true statement, people budget for different things.

MidnightMeltdown · 14/08/2023 17:22

I'd have been more horrified if I bought a £3.75 chicken! I only buy free range.

Ickystickystickystickybubblegum · 14/08/2023 17:23

MidnightMeltdown · 14/08/2023 17:22

I'd have been more horrified if I bought a £3.75 chicken! I only buy free range.

I mean...

FinallyPeakedNow · 14/08/2023 17:32

RoyalGala · 14/08/2023 17:12

You said cats were created for human play things which was incorrect, you’ll find throughout ancient history, they played a role alongside humans lives before domestication (rodent control etc).
Cats are obligate carnivores, they have no choice but to eat meat, humans do, there’s a difference. The choice is more cats hunting and decimating wildlife further (they have the right to eat) or providing meat, feeding them a plant-based diet or omnivore diet would do them harm.
As much as you want to quote statistics, I think you at least agree that humans cause far more damage to the planet and are far more responsible for animals becoming extinct.

Cats shitting (who knew) and sleeping on furniture is irrelevant here.

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Oh no, how embarrassing for you..
Did you think I meant that humans actually created cats, as if they were made of glue and paper or something? Domestic cats are bred as human pets, by humans, didn't you know that? 10000 years ago they were domesticated by humans, and that included using them as pest control in human society.

I know they eat meat, I wouldn't try to feed them a vegan diet, I wouldn't feed them anything I would have stray/ rescued cats euthanised rather than enable the further killing of other species in order to feed them what they have been bred to eat.

Yes, as I have repeatedly pointed out, humans cause all of the damage, and part of that is through the deliberate breeding and owning of cats.

Also, I didn't quote any statistics (embarrassing!)

WisherWood · 14/08/2023 17:52

Did you think I meant that humans actually created cats, as if they were made of glue and paper or something? Domestic cats are bred as human pets, by humans, didn't you know that? 10000 years ago they were domesticated by humans, and that included using them as pest control in human society.

Cats are not as domesticated as many other species. Their breeding is much less controlled and less deliberate as well. Cats revert very quickly to feral and semi-feral because of this. They weren't domesticated to control pests - they worked out that where there were humans there was grain, and where there was grain there were easy supplies of rats and mice. So they followed humans around and lived side by side but they really aren't as domesticated as you seem to think. They're far less plastic and malleable than that. They're temperamentally variable, they often self-select mates in the way few truly domestic species do. You can read the work of John Bradshaw if you want to find out more.

RoyalGala · 14/08/2023 17:56

FinallyPeakedNow · 14/08/2023 17:32

Oh no, how embarrassing for you..
Did you think I meant that humans actually created cats, as if they were made of glue and paper or something? Domestic cats are bred as human pets, by humans, didn't you know that? 10000 years ago they were domesticated by humans, and that included using them as pest control in human society.

I know they eat meat, I wouldn't try to feed them a vegan diet, I wouldn't feed them anything I would have stray/ rescued cats euthanised rather than enable the further killing of other species in order to feed them what they have been bred to eat.

Yes, as I have repeatedly pointed out, humans cause all of the damage, and part of that is through the deliberate breeding and owning of cats.

Also, I didn't quote any statistics (embarrassing!)

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You’re being rather pathetic now. Read here:

Domesticated cats all come from wildcats called Felis silvestris lybica that originated in the Fertile Crescent in the Near East Neolithic period and in ancient Egypt in the Classical period. They evolved as wild cats.

You don’t have to keep repeating your twattish opinion on euthanising cats, I think that says more about you as a person than anything else.

Oh and yes you did throw in a statistic (embarrassing!) It’s just here ⬇️ 🤦🏻‍♀️

"Domestic cats (Felis catus) are predators that humans have introduced globally, and that have been listed among the 100 worst non-native invasive species in the world. Free-ranging cats on islands have caused or contributed to 33 (14%) of the modern bird, mammal and reptile extinctions recorded by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List4." (quotation from nature.comwebsite)

FinallyPeakedNow · 14/08/2023 17:58

RoyalGala · 14/08/2023 17:56

You’re being rather pathetic now. Read here:

Domesticated cats all come from wildcats called Felis silvestris lybica that originated in the Fertile Crescent in the Near East Neolithic period and in ancient Egypt in the Classical period. They evolved as wild cats.

You don’t have to keep repeating your twattish opinion on euthanising cats, I think that says more about you as a person than anything else.

Oh and yes you did throw in a statistic (embarrassing!) It’s just here ⬇️ 🤦🏻‍♀️

"Domestic cats (Felis catus) are predators that humans have introduced globally, and that have been listed among the 100 worst non-native invasive species in the world. Free-ranging cats on islands have caused or contributed to 33 (14%) of the modern bird, mammal and reptile extinctions recorded by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List4." (quotation from nature.comwebsite)

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Ok fine I did put in a statistic (embarrassing). I was repeatedly talking about putting cats down in the hope someone would bite so I could say that isn't it weird people are horrified by killing cats but happily kill and eat cows for example. What's the difference ? But no one did

FinallyPeakedNow · 14/08/2023 18:01

WisherWood · 14/08/2023 17:52

Did you think I meant that humans actually created cats, as if they were made of glue and paper or something? Domestic cats are bred as human pets, by humans, didn't you know that? 10000 years ago they were domesticated by humans, and that included using them as pest control in human society.

Cats are not as domesticated as many other species. Their breeding is much less controlled and less deliberate as well. Cats revert very quickly to feral and semi-feral because of this. They weren't domesticated to control pests - they worked out that where there were humans there was grain, and where there was grain there were easy supplies of rats and mice. So they followed humans around and lived side by side but they really aren't as domesticated as you seem to think. They're far less plastic and malleable than that. They're temperamentally variable, they often self-select mates in the way few truly domestic species do. You can read the work of John Bradshaw if you want to find out more.

I know that as well, as cats are an absolute menace which 'owners' (no one owns them really do they) seem to think is completely fine. My point really was that humans enable them, and kill other animals to feed to them, and that really the fact there are so many of them is down to humans. We could choose to control the population but we don't.

fivelilducks · 14/08/2023 18:19

LAlD · 13/08/2023 15:45

As per the vegetarian above. What is an animals' life worth to you? Me, as a vegan, I'd never buy an animal's corpse.

Lol

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