Page 10 | Do you still trust the police?

Soubriquet · 2023-08-12T17:38:38+00:00

When I got with my dh 11 years ago, he would laugh when I said I trusted the police. That they were someone in a position of power, who I felt I could trust. He never tried to sway me, just said, ok..you’ll see. Now…I don’t. After everything they has happened over the last few years..Rotherham, Wayne Couzens, the girl with autism and other shit like that, I do not trust them at all.

littleripper · 13/08/2023 10:04

@Poorlilthing no, you asked someone who, like me has had endless crap from the police implying they were the cause of the problem. I was a victim of abuse and the gaslighting and mistreatment from the police was worse than the assaults. They victim blamed too.

Underthelightofthefullmoon · 13/08/2023 10:05

Poorlilthing · 13/08/2023 09:58

Fact is - your ex who is also an ex copper, is in prison for domestic violent perpetrated against you. So somewhere along the line - some police officers did their job

You've really no idea of any of the the facts and have ignored the rest of my post. Let's leave it there.

Poorlilthing · 13/08/2023 10:37

No I don’t know the “facts” - you’re right

CuratedAndRated · 13/08/2023 10:44

littleripper · 13/08/2023 10:04

@Poorlilthing no, you asked someone who, like me has had endless crap from the police implying they were the cause of the problem. I was a victim of abuse and the gaslighting and mistreatment from the police was worse than the assaults. They victim blamed too.

The Nolan principles are a waste of time as they are broken.

People who do this to you along with the DV and police are abusers too.

The NHS, local authorities and education have the same issues.

ANNEXE B anyone?

Mixed sex sports, changing rooms, loos and gaslighting lessons?

The trouble is they don't have to pay out compensation, the taxpayers do, they don't get sent to prison for their crimes, they are a sacred caste.

Until that changes - nothing will changes. It is all part of a grift on the taxpayers and they pretend they are the victims.

Sadists are attached to jobs that allow them abuse the vulnerable, the people who behave this way don't punch up, they are inadequate bottom feeders who don't like the truth and mirror to see who they are.

Parseley · 13/08/2023 10:47

quietnightmare · 12/08/2023 20:57

The police deal with over 6 million reported crimes a year in England and wales, there are thousands of assaults on police and over 200 police deaths a year and there's been some shocking and terrible incidents committed by the police but it really is a minute percentage of the whole force who have done anything questionable. Get some perspective

I suggest you read the Casey report.

CuratedAndRated · 13/08/2023 10:50

You sound like a woman who can't see an issue with Annexe B because you lead a healthy no chaotic life.

You sound like tbe sort who when they get cancer, it will somehow better different, because its you, like a mistress does when her cheating man cheats on her.

You sound like you are limited and don't realise that some people are born vulnerable and that bottom feeders ignore you - for now!

A potential scinario is one day your pension pot is stolen by a psychiatric CEO, you are old, your family and friends are mostly dead or senile and your cancer amputee leg prevents you from doing many things you once could, it of course will be different then when you ard a victim of crime, I take it?

quietnightmare · 13/08/2023 10:53

@Parseley 🤦🏽‍♀️

Alargeoneplease89 · 13/08/2023 11:42

Clymene · 13/08/2023 00:19

@Alargeoneplease89

I was a lone female in my early 30s and of course read about Wayne couzens and had no hesitation

I saw a MN thread shortly after this event with the OP in the same circumstances and couldn't believe she wouldn't get out of her car.

Why are you surprised that a woman would refuse to get into a car with a policeman after Sarah Everard was murdered?

I would never ever get into a police car on my own with a police officer No chance.

I got stopped by two policemen once who followed me driving home from a nightclub as they thought I might have been drinking. They breathalysed me and had a chat and that was it. I didn't even have to get out of the car.

There was no need for you to get into the police car

On a motorway, I think its deemed safer especially at 1am but again the MN poster wouldn't actually get out of the car. How can the police do their checks if she won't get out of the car or turn her engine off? They are putting themselves at risk of getting run over / her making off - only because she's a female doesn't mean she's not drunk / uninsured / drugged up / not going to make off etc.

Chatterboxy · 13/08/2023 12:07

Absolutely not!

Bexx87 · 13/08/2023 12:07

As a whole, yes. But a few years ago I had to phone them over an ex knocking on my door and looking through my window at night. Police came out and reassured me. Then a few days later one of them found me on a dating profile and sent some sexually explicit messages. One included him saying I should phone his police station with a made up story about my ex and he would come out personally and give me a good seeing to while he had me handcuffed to my sink.

Poorlilthing · 13/08/2023 12:17

Bexx87 · 13/08/2023 12:07

As a whole, yes. But a few years ago I had to phone them over an ex knocking on my door and looking through my window at night. Police came out and reassured me. Then a few days later one of them found me on a dating profile and sent some sexually explicit messages. One included him saying I should phone his police station with a made up story about my ex and he would come out personally and give me a good seeing to while he had me handcuffed to my sink.

And presumably you reported him @Bexx87 ?

Bexx87 · 13/08/2023 12:35

Poorlilthing · 13/08/2023 12:17

And presumably you reported him @Bexx87 ?

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No I didn't unfortunately. I exchanged a few messages with him and blocked him in the end. I had other things to worry about at the time. I should have though, looking back.

onefinemess · 13/08/2023 12:43

The problem is that here in the UK we don't know what we want the police to do. But we have no hesitation in saying how bad they are when they don't do what we want them to do. Despite the fact that we haven't told them what we want. (Queue the "we want them to stop killing and raping women" replies ).

We want them to be ruthless when dealing with violent armed criminals, but we don't want them carrying weapons or showing any aggression. Because then they're being bullies.

We want them to spend hours sitting with someone having a "mental health episode", but then complain when they don't attend a car theft. Well they can't be in two places at once can they?

We want them to deal with ASB, but they'd better not speak to MY teenager, because my child is a walking Saint who wouldn't ever do that type of thing. How dare they, bullies in uniform picking on little kids, why don't they go and deal with real criminals! I mean, after they've sorted out the ASB of course.

We want them to be EVERYWHERE and attend EVERY call. Despite the fact there's only ONE officer for every 1500 of us. Yeah good odds there.

We pay them nothing and expect them to literally risk their lives for us. You can't expect someone to do an extraordinary job but pay them an ordinary wage, that's ludicrous. If you want walking Saints in uniform then we need to pay them as though they are walking Saints, otherwise the only people who will consider the job for the current pay, are NOT the people you would want in that uniform. The police employ people NOT robots. Putting a dickhead in a uniform doesn't make them stop being a dickhead.

The police were originally given the job of dealing with crime. Now we want them to be social workers, mental health professionals, youth workers, councillors, you name it, we want them to be experts in it. But we would never expect a nurse to deal with a shoplifter or a doctor to arrest a drug dealer. But we expect the police to do everything. The police in the UK have no equipment, no training, no resources and their pay is a joke.

We need to fix them before we can criticise them.

TheChippendenSpook · 13/08/2023 12:52

onefinemess · 13/08/2023 12:43

The problem is that here in the UK we don't know what we want the police to do. But we have no hesitation in saying how bad they are when they don't do what we want them to do. Despite the fact that we haven't told them what we want. (Queue the "we want them to stop killing and raping women" replies ).

We want them to be ruthless when dealing with violent armed criminals, but we don't want them carrying weapons or showing any aggression. Because then they're being bullies.

We want them to spend hours sitting with someone having a "mental health episode", but then complain when they don't attend a car theft. Well they can't be in two places at once can they?

We want them to deal with ASB, but they'd better not speak to MY teenager, because my child is a walking Saint who wouldn't ever do that type of thing. How dare they, bullies in uniform picking on little kids, why don't they go and deal with real criminals! I mean, after they've sorted out the ASB of course.

We want them to be EVERYWHERE and attend EVERY call. Despite the fact there's only ONE officer for every 1500 of us. Yeah good odds there.

We pay them nothing and expect them to literally risk their lives for us. You can't expect someone to do an extraordinary job but pay them an ordinary wage, that's ludicrous. If you want walking Saints in uniform then we need to pay them as though they are walking Saints, otherwise the only people who will consider the job for the current pay, are NOT the people you would want in that uniform. The police employ people NOT robots. Putting a dickhead in a uniform doesn't make them stop being a dickhead.

The police were originally given the job of dealing with crime. Now we want them to be social workers, mental health professionals, youth workers, councillors, you name it, we want them to be experts in it. But we would never expect a nurse to deal with a shoplifter or a doctor to arrest a drug dealer. But we expect the police to do everything. The police in the UK have no equipment, no training, no resources and their pay is a joke.

We need to fix them before we can criticise them.

This is the best reply on this thread. I think everyone needs to read it and really think about what you've written.

CuratedAndRated · 13/08/2023 12:57

The police were originally given the job of dealing with crime. Now we want them to be social workers, mental health professionals, youth workers, councillors, you name it, we want them to be experts in it.

No, the woke want that, if you look at California and how having little crime prevention and punishment has worked out, you the understand what the woke want.

Their luxury beliefs mean that they including the politicians are in gated communities with private security, they can afford to have whatever they want shipped in, whislt they use up lots of carbon and sit around telling each otger how wonderful they are. Meanwhile businesses and individuals deal with the consequences.

Most people want the Police to sort actual crime not thought crimes and for social workers/NHS/local authorities housing and social care to do their jobs properly.

VashtaNerada · 13/08/2023 12:58

I suggest you read the Casey report.
I’ve read it and thought it was good. It highlights the incredibly difficult job police officers do and outlines the many issues plaguing the service at the moment. It doesn’t say anything ludicrous like “all police officers are racist”; it’s actually pretty balanced. She also says that the report was only possible because of the honesty of the officers who supported her research.
I’m exceptionally proud of DH and the work he does. This includes reporting wrongdoing by his colleagues and ensuring anyone working for him is adequately trained and supported. There is so much still to do but I’m not sure it’s helpful to assume that every police officer is problematic.

Beezknees · 13/08/2023 13:05

Luckily I've never had any dealings with them. But as a rule, no. Too many stories about them abusing their powers.

ShinyYellowTeapot · 13/08/2023 13:09

@TheChippendenSpook no, I've re-read it a couple of times and I really do not see myself in the "we" the poster talks about. I don't want the police to do most of what's in that post, no. And I don't think them having to do it justifies dangerous behaviour on their part. Other jobs are low paid, thankless, dangerous, under resourced, etc etc. I'd criticise them for unacceptable behaviour if it happened, too.

Nottwins78 · 13/08/2023 13:11

onefinemess · 13/08/2023 12:43

The problem is that here in the UK we don't know what we want the police to do. But we have no hesitation in saying how bad they are when they don't do what we want them to do. Despite the fact that we haven't told them what we want. (Queue the "we want them to stop killing and raping women" replies ).

We want them to be ruthless when dealing with violent armed criminals, but we don't want them carrying weapons or showing any aggression. Because then they're being bullies.

We want them to spend hours sitting with someone having a "mental health episode", but then complain when they don't attend a car theft. Well they can't be in two places at once can they?

We want them to deal with ASB, but they'd better not speak to MY teenager, because my child is a walking Saint who wouldn't ever do that type of thing. How dare they, bullies in uniform picking on little kids, why don't they go and deal with real criminals! I mean, after they've sorted out the ASB of course.

We want them to be EVERYWHERE and attend EVERY call. Despite the fact there's only ONE officer for every 1500 of us. Yeah good odds there.

We pay them nothing and expect them to literally risk their lives for us. You can't expect someone to do an extraordinary job but pay them an ordinary wage, that's ludicrous. If you want walking Saints in uniform then we need to pay them as though they are walking Saints, otherwise the only people who will consider the job for the current pay, are NOT the people you would want in that uniform. The police employ people NOT robots. Putting a dickhead in a uniform doesn't make them stop being a dickhead.

The police were originally given the job of dealing with crime. Now we want them to be social workers, mental health professionals, youth workers, councillors, you name it, we want them to be experts in it. But we would never expect a nurse to deal with a shoplifter or a doctor to arrest a drug dealer. But we expect the police to do everything. The police in the UK have no equipment, no training, no resources and their pay is a joke.

We need to fix them before we can criticise them.

Agree with all you have said.

My son had to do 2 arrests last night for GBH. He had to wait with the victims for 4hrs waiting for ambulance. They then got to the hospital and the victims refused treatment and left. And there's been a many times he's had to do hospital guard for someone suffering mental health problems.

TheChippendenSpook · 13/08/2023 13:15

ShinyYellowTeapot · 13/08/2023 13:09

@TheChippendenSpook no, I've re-read it a couple of times and I really do not see myself in the "we" the poster talks about. I don't want the police to do most of what's in that post, no. And I don't think them having to do it justifies dangerous behaviour on their part. Other jobs are low paid, thankless, dangerous, under resourced, etc etc. I'd criticise them for unacceptable behaviour if it happened, too.

I understand that the 'we' part may not be everybody. The fact is though that the police do have to do the work of social workers, mental health professionals and youth workers etc, which means that the theft, burglary or robbery has to wait until that officer can deal with it.

This in turn leaves people feeling frustrated and that their crime doesn't matter. It does but it can't be dealt with until they've 'dealt with' (for want of a better word) the person having a mental health crisis or the missing child has been returned to where they need to be.

FatNoMoreSue · 13/08/2023 13:18

Absolutely not. There may be the odd good apple but mostly they appear to be a shower of shit.

Makemineacosmo · 13/08/2023 13:20

Not anymore, no. I always have, always felt they were there to protect, but the last few years have me scared of them, not trusting of them.

CuratedAndRated · 13/08/2023 13:26

TheChippendenSpook · 13/08/2023 13:15

I understand that the 'we' part may not be everybody. The fact is though that the police do have to do the work of social workers, mental health professionals and youth workers etc, which means that the theft, burglary or robbery has to wait until that officer can deal with it.

This in turn leaves people feeling frustrated and that their crime doesn't matter. It does but it can't be dealt with until they've 'dealt with' (for want of a better word) the person having a mental health crisis or the missing child has been returned to where they need to be.

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They police by consent.

I don't consent to jobs being passed around.

Matthew Godwin has polled the public then studied. He said most people don't agree with what he calls the woke elite who decide what is best for us all with their irrational luxury beliefs.

I believe they behave as Bishops of the new woke religion, self appointed and not too dissimilar from Pagans anc Puritans with a great deal of them authoritarian or/and personality disordered according to Jordan Peterson. Peterson also calls them devouring mothers who had no children of their own and they view othsers children as their own. They make human sacrifices and look after themselves.

Take London, you are told to care about clean air and taxes are taken then the clean wait doesn't matter does it? Human sacrifice so Khan can get more money.

Women and girls were human sacrifice to Gender identity. Sports, dignity, privacy and reduced life chances. The disabled and sick self excluded due to Annexe B or absued by it, many will have died in obscurity as human sacrifice, not to mention distraction issues for the future.

I could go on.

ShinyYellowTeapot · 13/08/2023 13:27

@TheChippendenSpook I get that's why response times and such are poor, but I do not believe that excuses unacceptable behaviour on the part of individual officers and forces as a whole. I think there are 2 very different issues here on this thread and some posters (not you) may be attempting to conflate them in order to use one to justify the other, while in my opinion, that is wrong.

CuratedAndRated · 13/08/2023 13:32

ShinyYellowTeapot · 13/08/2023 13:27

@TheChippendenSpook I get that's why response times and such are poor, but I do not believe that excuses unacceptable behaviour on the part of individual officers and forces as a whole. I think there are 2 very different issues here on this thread and some posters (not you) may be attempting to conflate them in order to use one to justify the other, while in my opinion, that is wrong.

It's an excuse to get out of work.

You see it with inept professionals all the time, they don't get sacked or imprisonment.

The useless Dr who can't diagnose a physical health issue and calls their patient primarily mentally ill and induces a whole host of illness as a result, sacred caste init.

Crappie abilst teacher who can't be arsed to do their job properly, sacred caste init.

Cowardly lazy cop, doesn't want to deal with a violent male criminals or actually do hard work, finds any excuse to waste time on 'social' issues rather than pass the work on to the relevant other profession.