The immigrant barge - what’s actually wrong with using it?

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Educate me!

I looked at pics from the inside, it all looks very much like standard student accommodation to me, including common rooms/relaxation areas/health support on board. Residents can go on & off the boat, it’s passed fire etc safety and been used to house people in lots of other situations. I don’t understand why people think it’s not ok. Can anyone explain please?

@Nevermay This sets out the increase in UK population due to an increase in net migration

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-impact-of-migration-on-uk-population-growth/#:~:text=Net%20migration%20exceeded%20natural%20change,growth%20from%202001%20to%202020.

We don't know if some asylum seekers could go straight into useful employment as the government refuses to allow them to. It seems unlikely that none of them could if the support was right.

But the government prefers to put them up in hotels and boats at taxpayers expense presumably in order to enrich the owners of the hotels and boats, some of whom no doubt are Tory party donors.

Is anyone on this thread arguing for zero migration.
As far as I can tell:
Rich economic migrants fine
HK migrants fine.
Ukraine migrants fine,
genuine asylum seekers fine
students fine

That leaves the less than 25% of the 75,000 asylum seekers who will not be given leave to remain in the UK. That is fewer people than live in the UKs biggest village.

I am not certain that adding a village a year is going to do much to the overall population.

What is lost by trying it?

@jgw1 That leaves the less than 25% of the 75,000 asylum seekers who will not be given leave to remain in the UK. That is fewer people than live in the UKs biggest village.

Where do these figures come from?
Let's see a breakdown.

And getting those 18,000+ people you mention actually deported would be the biggest problem.

You want to discuss asylum seekers, but don't know how many there are, and what proportion of them are granted leave to remain in the UK.

This perhaps sums up the state of the discussion.

well many refugees do as soon as they have refugee status. That is completely normal.

Again, as @Clavinova says, university students - whether one or two to a room have to pay. Current rates are around £150pw. Plus about what, another £50pw for food?

How much are the guests who have fled war-torn France aboard the Bibbi Stockholm paying for their full board experience? £0 I assume. I'll take the top bunk at that rate.

People are ok with some migration, visas etc. it’ll vary by person but generally people say ok to skilled visa or student (some say latter too high)

The hard part is the smuggling and boats. Not just here but the Med too - are people desensitised already to that? Maybe.

You could make claiming asylum easier, and faster, plus work possibilities.

If people want that then how many do they think would apply?

@jgw1 You want to discuss asylum seekers, but don't know how many there are, and what proportion of them are granted leave to remain in the UK.

This perhaps sums up the state of the discussion.

So you can't provide a breakdown of the figures then ?

OK

How much per night is the UK tax payer paying per resident on the barge or in hotels?

If it is more than what students are paying either the taxpayer has been had, or the government is deliberately enriching someone at our expense.

@Nevermay well many refugees do (take up employment)as soon as they have refugee status. That is completely normal.

How many is many?

And where are they working?

In some cases they can work, see

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/handling-applications-for-permission-to-take-employment-instruction/permission-to-work-and-volunteering-for-asylum-seekers-accessible#:~:text=Asylum%20seekers%20or%20failed%20asylum%20seekers%20awaiting%20the%20outcome%20of,360C%20of%20the%20Immigration%20Rules.

On a thread about asylun seekers I have to say I had assumed that contributors would know how many there were and what proportion are typically given leave to remain or would have the ability to look that information up for themselves.

Last year there were 74751 asylum applications in the UK.

In the year to March 73% of the initial decisions were to grant protection. That figure will of course rise a little on appeal.

well, let me see,

drivers, teachers, nurses, doctors, craftsmen, plumbers, builders, translators, musicians

just off the top of my head, a few that I know right now

For those not interested in following the link, asylum seekers who have waited more than a year can apply to the Secretary of State under section 360C (as discussed earlier) to undertake paid or voluntary work. Such applications I understand take a long time to process.

It is interesting that no one has been able to explain the downsides of allowing aylsum seekers paid or voluntary work from the moment they make their asylum application.

I would favour an Australian model yes. It is also where I’m moving too after being granted my visa to live and work there.

Enjoy. I wonder how many would want the same system

We can do similar and control in same way or have an easy process. But people will have to consider how many would want to apply if it’s the latter

Especially as world gets hotter

Easy v controlled

My figures are slightly different, from Gov UK - 75,492 applications.

Asylum outcomes. In the year ended March 2023, 74% of initial asylum decisions by the Home Office were grants of protection.

In addition to your list I know cleaners, chefs and farm labourers. I suspect some of their colleagues are unaware they are refugees, which is of course perfectly fine.

So why were you asking what the figures were?

Anyway back to the more important question, how does the arrival of less than the population of a large village impact on the UKs overall population?

So how are you privileged to know the immigration status of these people and should you be disclosing in on a public forum?

Exactly - it your child is at school in London, it is likely that they only have a maths education because of refugee maths teachers - not that you would know if your child's maths teacher is a refugee, ( or it you only have a non refugee maths teacher because refugees are filling other maths vacancies)

This poster is not disclosing anyone's identity on a public forum, and yes, if you work with refugees or volunteer with refugees, then you may well know where they go and what they become - what of it?

@jgw1 So why were you asking what the figures were?

I didn't - I asked you for a breakdown of the following;
That leaves the less than 25% of the 75,000 asylum seekers who will not be given leave to remain in the UK. ???

Anyway back to the more important question, how does the arrival of less than the population of a large village impact on the UKs overall population?
As I don't know where you got the figures from I can't answer that question which seems based on some strange arithmetic on your part.

There are 75,492 asylum applications pending of which 77% will (probably) be approved. That is 58,128 people.

Please tell me what 'large village' has a population of 58,128 ??