The immigrant barge - what’s actually wrong with using it?

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Educate me!

I looked at pics from the inside, it all looks very much like standard student accommodation to me, including common rooms/relaxation areas/health support on board. Residents can go on & off the boat, it’s passed fire etc safety and been used to house people in lots of other situations. I don’t understand why people think it’s not ok. Can anyone explain please?

You don't really need to minimise scabies, it's already pretty minimal.

So you believe she'd contrive to incinerate them just to reduce the backlog, really ??

I don't think she'd care.

Somebody in Manston died of diptheria That and TB are communicable diseases. As is Covid. I suspect the reason behind the minimization is that the latter is/was a money maker for a quite a few people and the former ones arent This is why health is important one minute and the next it isnt.

Oh and certain posters like to forget that they were crying out for the borders to be shut during Covid

Oh grow up the exact same job is done from home thsn in the office. More work in fact as no commute means extra time working out if paid hours to make sure things get done.

^As well as a fully-equipped gym with running, cycling, rowing machines and weights, they will have two spacious TV rooms, five lounges, IT room with desk top computers and free wifi, classroom for twice a week English classes and a conference room which they can book for meetings, activities or hobbies"

There are planned to be 500 people on the barge. The communal areas are totally inadequate for the number of people - previous occupants would have had far more space, a lot of communal areas have been repurposed into bedrooms, and the single rooms are now double occupancy.

Some people must be pretty gullible to think that the same government who wanted to ship these same people to Rwanda have actually changed their minds on trying to deter them with a hellish prospect and are instead putting them up in a perfectly lovely barge instead. They even disconnected the TVs in the bedrooms FFS.

The Home office were responsible for the fuck it Manston. There’s a lot that went on behind the scenes that I don’t think people know about because it was much less reported on to avoid bad publicity. Not to mention the fact that diphtheria and covid are completely different and completely different in terms of management. The former is much easier even if it was a little more panicked than it needed to be.

@noblegiraffe , I like the way you only quote the latter part of the statement to suit your predictable stance on the matter. Do you, in your own gullible state, seriously think that there will ever be 500 residents on the barge? The whole thing is a farce and the PP on here comparing asylum seekers being housed on the barge to people being "housed" in concentration camps is absolutely disgusting and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves

Somewherewithsomeone I’m running about 40 minutes behind the thread (it’s been busy!)
I posted because I was genuinely interested. My (limited) research suggested the barge was pretty decent accommodation, comparing pretty well with student accommodation I’ve seen in the last few months, and way better than some of the mould-filled rentals elsewhere in the UK which have featured on the news recently. Nevertheless, there’s been extensive media coverage suggesting the accommodation is sub-standard. I wondered why.
I don’t disagree with pp’s who don’t trust Braverman, but I’m still finding it difficult to believe the accommodation doesn’t meet legal standards, and I’ve yet to see any proof that this is the case.
I found the context provided by 1 pp about other local support interesting.
on balance, I’m still inclined to think there is nothing wrong with this accommodation (even if we assume clothes won’t be ironed 🙄). I think some of the homeless people I support would be pretty happy if they could get accommodation there.

There is definitely a romanticism around this issue that those who actually don't have experience in have

For those of us that have worked in this area it's eye opening for sure.

I'm a humanitarian and I have no issue taking people from war torn countries who are in danger

But the reality is actually quite different.

Many of the immigrants I've picked up claim to be under 18 , so we have to get expert social workers in to assess their ages based on their teeth

Most of the young men I've picked up have been proven to be much older than they claim

I've now got tuberculosis in my spine and brain , and I get no help. I'm sure this is from picking these young men up and transferring them to immigration
They tell the lorry drivers to phone police once in the country .
A friend had their wedding reception cancelled with 2 weeks notice at their hotel of choice because it had been taken over by the government to house asylum seekers . They went on the local news to highlight it

We need to house these young men somewhere while their. Liam's are processed but I have direct experience that many disappear before that happens. There is nothing to stop them. If they think they'll be rejected they flee and I worry they end up working for pittance and are exploited.

None of this is actually working, there needs to be a radical rethink . Urgently.

@penelopepipsqueak Im so sorry to hear you contracted TB.

There is also the people who worked in the hotels who lost their jobs. They have had no voice in the MSM and just have to suck it up

If the barge isn't even going to house 500 asylum seekers, then what is the actual fucking point of it?

If the point of it isn't to actually house migrants, then clearly it's meant as a deterrent. And if it's meant as a deterrent then it's not going to be just fine, is it? It's going to be bad, because it's meant to be bad.

Thank you

I'm really in the shit with this , I'm struggling to keep my job because I'm too I'll to work and I've gone blind in one eye. But I have rent to pay . Right now a freebie on a boat look a quite attractive!

I'm being flip but the consequences of this for me are that I could end up homeless which is ironic.

Social Workers dont assess ages based on teeth. They complete a Merton Compliant Age Assessment.

In the UK there are very very few circumstances where physical evidence is used to determine or assess age, even once it gets to tribunal because dentists (among other medical staff) do not use information for purposes separate to medical need.

Where is this happening you say?

It’s also unreliable. Which tbh is probably the main reason our government use it. There’s a 3-5 year margin of error depending on what method is used. So good luck trying to pinpoint the actual age of an older teen.

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1689178630016978944

They’ve sent Robert Jenrick out to claim that processing claims faster just encourages more people to come. That is a lie, it doesn’t. The government know that. But it does tell you quite a lot about why the backlog is huge. And it has very little to do with civil servants.

Then you don't understand what a concentration camp is. Here is a definition for you:

a place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, invented by the British in South Africa. Sometimes but not always the prisoners may be engaged in forced labour, or awaiting execution.

I actually think the barge falls into that definition pretty comprehensively- especially as some of the inhabitants are likely to be eventually returned home to face execution.

Families that are working and paying tax are housed for however long in a single temporary room. They have a right to be in this country. Many familes are spending years waiting for housing. How can we afford to pay for hotels for so many illegal immigrants, many who are economic immigrants.

In an ideal world we would rescue everyone in the world so nobody had to live in awful conditions. The trouble is we all know it isn't physically possible. Providing the very best for everyone that comes illegally encourages more.
We only have so much money, room, housing ect.

Really we need to be helping people in these countries where they are. We need to make legal routes more accessible with reasonable quotas and we need to do everything possible to stop the illegal dangerous routes making criminals money.

The answer isn't providing free expensive hotels for everyone who decides that the UK will provide them with a better life than any other country.

That being said I absolutely don't blame the immigrants for trying to better their lives. We all are just trying our best to survive this difficult life.

The barge could well be a source and breeding ground for infectious disease, such as drug resistant TB, or similar

Don't be silly. I don't think Ive ever seen anyone try to prove their point with an actual definition and still get it so spectacularly wrong!

That is a dictionary definition of a concentration camp, and the barge falls within this definition quite easily

There seems to be a group of people who believe that housing people in what looks to be reasonable accommodation whilst their immigration status is determined is an horrific abuse of people who are escaping all sorts of horrors. But that at the same time, those people are unable to wash themselves, stay in the accommodation without fighting, setting fire to the place or generally getting on with life in any way so therefore they need to be given a 3 bed house in the nicest area of the local town (but not near the NIMBYS).

This is a temporary arrangement that’s not ideal, but will do for now.

They literally are? Just a random example is the Novotel in Ipswich. Described on its website as 4 star luxury, currently being used to exclusively house asylum seekers.

The stars are partly awarded on service, so whilst they're staying in hotels rated as such they're not getting the 4 star experience if that makes sense. It's fucking wild mind that tax money is being spent on this whilst scores of the population risk losing their homes due to their mortgages shooting up, people are living in unsuitable accommodation for years whilst waiting on social housing, and some can't afford food.

If the government addressed the numerous issues we have here I'm sure people would be more welcoming. If you're on the bones of your arse, struggling through I can see why people get resentful and it's very clear why its mainly the middle classes tweeting #refugeeswelcome. It's not as others are bigots either. How many vast amounts of these young, unaccompanied men have been dumped in 'posh' areas compared to working class areas?

Completely agree with all of this.