So America are saying that UFOs and aliens exist?

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Like wtf.

I’ve been watching videos of the senate hearing and they’re interviewing ex intelligence agents saying they have seized crashed aircraft which had non human biological remains (aka aliens) in it.

are these intelligent agents bonkers crackpots or is this actually true?

I felt like I was watching a spoof.

I disagree.

I think it's one of only a couple of things that would change everything, almost instantaneously.

The first, and more likely, is developing a clean, abundant source of energy - within a generation we could desalinate water for no cost, farm and inhabit the deserts, go to net-zero almost instantaneously - we would enter a time where resources would be almost limitless, no need for war, conflict or competition.

The second would be a little green man dropping onto the lawn of the Whitehouse (or anywhere else in full public view). Very quickly, the earth feels like a very small place, humans of all races / nations feel very much more alike than different, and considering the types of technology on display, we might start to rapidly develop a very much more humble and uncertain opinion of ourselves.

I think most people agree the chances of intelligent life existing somewhere else in the universe are very high.

But we also agree interstellar space travel defy the laws of physics (as we understand them) and so it’s highly unlikely that aliens have visited planet.

However, this is entirely missing the point of David Grusch’s testimony this week.

Grusch claims the non human intellegent life is NOT undertaking interstellar space travel.

Now this is the headfucking bit…. He claims they have traveled from a different dimension. So they could be here now or somewhere very close by, but existing in a different dimension that we can’t see/ experience.

I’m not saying I believe this, but that’s what he is saying.

The concentration of UFO sightings and the timings (1950s onwards) are correlated with nuclear development.

Adding 2+2 together, the threat of nuclear has led to these non human intelligent lifeforms to cross over into our dimension for some sort of negotiation/ agreement around nuclear.

It’s absurd and bonkers that this could be a possibility… but that is how I’m reading the testimony given this week, by highly credible sources in a US government setting.

Wrap your head around that!

If you look at the 'history' of UFO reports and reports of encounters with non-human beings, some of them are virtually mundane in so far as the reports are that a nuts and bolts craft was seen, maybe landed, and humanoid beings were encountered, such as the Westall school UFO sighting in Australia.

But some of the reports have a high strangeness factor, such as the abduction reports where people go through walls, or where UFOs appear from nowhere and disappear again. If some of these beings are travelling through what we would call dimensions it would explain a lot of that extreme strangeness. Maybe they are travelling through space and dimensions at the same time, if space is somehow compressed in other dimensions.

I would definitely watch a tv show about fifth dimension aliens. I wonder where the portal is.

These are former naval pilots who are reporting these sightings, they have been doing so for many years. Much stigma surrounds the matter, this prevents many from reporting and I think one of the aims of this hearing is to try to change this.

I don’t doubt that what these pilots are reporting is true. The universe is vast, far bigger and more complex than we can even begin to comprehend. There is a theory that we are visiting from the future. I believe these pilots. I believe Bob Lazar. I think it’s far more likely than not that we are visited and observed by life and craft that we cannot fully understand yet. I think it’s quite arrogant of us to think that we are alone. The truth is out there…

And I didn’t even listen to him/know he said that - but I said something similar upthread. So to the posters being a bit snarky about my brilliance - I am clearly light years ahead of my time!!

We've only been putting out radio waves in significant numbers for a century and there are no stable solar systems within 100 lightyears to detect them and come straight to us at faster than lightspeed. Earth is in an obscure arm of a small galaxy, no one is likely to have passed us. Ignoring all this - there IS a planet within 100 lightyears with a spacefaring civilization on it and they flew straight here with their superior faster than light starships - which are easily detected by us, have red navigation lights like our aircraft - and they keep crashing!!! Ok...

You seem to be making the assumption that they are coming here to visit us because we sent out an invitation. That we are in control.
How about considering they've been coming here for reasons of their own, possibly since before we were here.
They may have even interacted with us and influenced our development in the ancient past, if one were to look at the 'myths' of many cultures and see them as oral history rather than made up stories.

I think the pp meant to say that we are a needle in a haystack, actually more like a bit of dust in the scheme of things.
I think it is generally accepted that the laws of physics apply in the whole universe. Speed of light is the maximum possible and only light can travel at such speed. That means the timescales for any required distances to be covered are just not realistic.

My immediate thought was "who wakes up and posts at 8.40am with a name like that? Scandalous. That's a 2am name that is"

And then decided I'd become my grandmother. 😆

Ooh I like this theory...

It's a NCAAT.

Name Change About A Thread.

STILL THOUGH!

It’s been suggested by “sources” that the White House staff kept an awful lot from Trump for that very reason, he’s a blabbermouth. Remember early on in his presidency when he blabbed to Moscow about an Israeli intelligence op against Islamic State, potentially endangering Israeli operatives?
It can’t have been hard keeping him in the dark about some things because he’s so self-absorbed, and uninterested in anything but himself, Ivanka, money and getting/staying in power.

I got into an argument with a nutter UFO believer on twitter on this very point. He said they had definitely landed in Brazil and Germany and blah other countries but they were all covering it up for some reason.

It'd be great if it was true, but it's all bollocks, all of those cockpit films etc have been debunked and the idea that the Germans and the Brazilians are keeping schtum just like the USA is just a joke.

Governments can't keep anything secret, let alone the biggest story ever.

*No, three ex officers have said under oath that they have seen some stuff. But they can't produce evidence because it's classified.

It's a bit like saying, "oh yeah I've totally got a hot boyfriend but he lives in the next town and you wouldn't know him".*

Or like the little girl I played with as a child who used “not allowed” ….. “I’ve got the latest [insert doll here] but I’m not allowed to get her out”. Or “I can jump up and float, but I’m not allowed to” to cover up her making things up!

That in itself is bollocks.

It is accepted that some UFOs are real controlled craft that perform WAY beyond our known capabilities. They've been seen and tracked on radar simultaneously, thousands of people have observed them.

So either:

• The Americans have advanced technology that involves breakthroughs in physics, material science and engineering and they've had them for 75 years and managed to keep it secret.
• Another country has done the same and it's been kept secret, they've not used it to take over the world or used it in any conflict.
• It's all a huge 'project blue beam' type conspiracy to take control of the world.
• It's an unknown non-human intelligence that is way beyond us.

All of those involve some form of secrecy and conspiracy.

Of them all the most likely option, if you set aside your beliefs and prejudices is that it is an unknown non-human intelligence.

It's totally not accepted that there are any UFOs let alone ones with special magic capabilities. None of those tracking things are generally accepted to be anything but tracking anomalies.

As you say the most likely option must be true. We know governments can't keep secrets, we know there is no public evidence of UFO's therefore they don't exist.

Anything else is wishful thinking

The UFOs seen in the US Navy videos referred to as 'tic tac' and 'gimbal' are accepted to exist.

The pilots that saw them agree that they exist. They appeared on radar too.

So, they were seen, filmed and appeared on radar.

That information is evidence in the public domain.

The conclusion of the US military, when they acknowledged that many pilots and other servicemen have seen similar things, was that some of these objects are controlled craft of unknown origin and they perform in ways that defy our understanding.

In the 90s the French did a study of UFO reports and concluded that around 5% of them are controlled craft of unknown origin and due to the way they performed, which is way beyond our technology, the most likely origin is extra-terrestrial.

I conclude you are opining from a position of ignorance.

Just address the central point: governments can't keep secrets.

Multiple competing nation states can't keep secrets.

QED there aren't any UFOs.

Anything else is just quibbling about blurry photos and dubious radar recordings, what's the point because if they existed, their existence would not be a secret.

I'd love UFOs to exist, it would be truly amazing. If they did there would be clear evidence, and there isn't.

Just wanna say that this thread is blowing my mind! Some excellent posts. Thanks.

Great thread, will be looking into this more. I saw a UFO many years ago, and have never been able to explain it away as military craft/weather balloon.

World is a cesspit, let the aliens take me at this point lol

They might want to keep us as pets. Fill us up with unusual foods, bloat us until we are ready to pass wind then poke our stomachs with their alien fingers to make us fart. Then they and their guests would roll around their dining tables laughing at the sounds.

I’m marveling at the way so seem to think pilots testifying somehow adds gravitas to the claims.

I know of a couple of pilots (military) a long time back who chased Venus half way across the North Sea one evening, and in the commercial world there’s a famous instance of somebody manoeuvering to avoid Venus at some horrible time in the AM…so forget any ideas that they are somehow specially trained observers.