George and the wedding email

[girlwhowearsglasses]

Is there not a thread on this already - or has it been and gone.

I am just 😱🙀
Never read anything like it.
Readily available online btw

I think that’s a big part of the problem with modern politics- those who don’t have the ability to behave properly or civilly (like Boris Johnston, trump, the woman on this thread who abuses people at their wedding) have become more mainstream and acceptable. Decent people can disagree on matters but behave civilly and lawfully to each other. We need to get back to that being a standard.

@JonahPog it does make me laugh when Tories trot out this line. “It wasn’t just us, the Lib Dems did it too!!”. Like literal 5 year olds trying to get themselves off the hook.

Because during the coalition the Lib Dems definitely had all the sway didn’t they? And it was a Lib Dem who was the chancellor? And the moment they were free from the tyrannical grasp of the horrible Lib Dems and it was just them, they immediately reversed all of their shitty policies to fuck the poor and vulnerable over didn’t they? No? Didn’t think so. They just further twisted the knife, and continue to do so.

Or if you made that comment in the sense of that’s who I plan to vote for…the Lib Dems are the only viable alternative in this area in terms of being able to oust the tories, so for that reason alone that’s where my vote is going.

You carry on @Bruton1 I’m sure it makes sense in your head

Wherever Tony Blair or Alastair Campbell go someone will heckle their disapproval on the decisions they made on the Iraq war

I personally would like the same treatment on other Prime Ministers / Chancellors who brought about austerity and Brexit. They have caused 300k more people to die and are making 10s of millions of people's lives harder now. I hope they do get heckled and harangued over the Tory policies they brought in that will negatively affect me for the rest of my life.

@JonahPog amazingly intelligent, well thought out response 👏🏾

🤣🤣🤣 those naughty super-powerful Lib Dems overriding all the good choices of the Tories they were in coalition with!

A few people on this thread unfamiliar with the concept of collective government responsibility

I knew the nuptials reminded me of something.

https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_sergeantswedding.htm

… Escort to the kerridge,
Wish ’im luck, the brute!
Chuck the slippers after—
(Pity ’tain’t a boot!)
Bowin’ like a lady,
Blushin’ like a lad—
’Oo would say to see ’em
Both is rotten bad?

Cheer for the Sergeant’s weddin’—
Give ’em one cheer more!
Grey gun-’orses in the lando,
An’ a rogue is married to, etc.

Just step back and look at the bigger picture for a minute.

The Tories have really held all the power for 13 years. What everybody in this country should be asking, rich or poor, is why taxes have continued to go up while the delivery of public services has tangibly gone down. At best it is mismanagement, at worst fraudulent.

We have a national debt equal to about £90,000 per household. We are paying interest on government borrowing approaching £10bn a month. All those years of austerity wasted.

I will vote for any party or coalition that removes for the Tories for the next 15 and any righter leaning 'disaster capitalist' version.

As an ex-Conservative voter, I want change.

Bravo @Chatillon

Realised my Handjob photo didn’t load. He turned up very much alone…what happened to Gina?

This thread needs to go into Classics. It's got everything.

Bruton1 Gina probably lurking behind that gravestone to avoid the press

more intelligent and thought out than turning up at a stranger’s wedding to shout abuse at him and his wife because you didn’t like how he did a job he was previously elected to do?

stop darvo ing - you are not the victim or the good guy here. You are a petty bully.

I’m not a conservative voter, in fact I have never in my life voted conservative nor do I intend to.

it’s entirely irrelevant. I respect democracy and civil society and I’m a decent human. If one of George Osbornes children wrote (or even read) that email, that’s desperately sad and I can’t imagine why any adult would feel gleeful about that. Nor can I imagine turning up at a former MPs wedding to shout abuse at him because I didn’t agree with the policies of his government when they were in power.

we live in a democracy. It is childish and stupid to act as if George Osborne was some kind of evil emperor. He was one minister in a government who did what they were elected to do. I might not agree with that but I can still behave like a civilized adult. It’s a shame others can’t.

Matt has very bad posture.

He really does! Stand up straight and tall when you're having your photo taken.

Probably trying to hide his habitual priapism

Crooked is as crooked, erm, stands.

Why are you posting about the 'wedding email' in reply to my post countering a different poster trying to divert the financial incompetence of the Tories to the Liberal Democrats?

But, while we are on the subject of financial incompetence - with a bit of fraud thrown in - would you like to address that issue?

What have you to say to the fact we are all paying more in taxes, but public services, from potholes, to medical operations to budget overruns on public funds on train lines are not being investigated?

I assume not being a Conservative voter you have something to say on these things? Perhaps something to say rather than defend GO's incompetence by pushing his responsibility for financial mismanagement onto a greyscale notion of 'ministers'?

George Osborne served over six years as Chancellor and the only other who came as close was Nigel Lawson. George Osborne served as Chancellor throughout the recovery from the Great Recession. God knows his links in those six years in the run up to the Brexit vote were highly questionable.

He deserves to marry in peace as a human being. But don't defend the Tories as being financially competent.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

can't quite tell from the photo - is he wearing the infamous pink tie?

I've read it and was gobsmacked. Backed up with sources and names.etc.

He's behaved appalling and comeuppance would appear long overdue. Good on the sender.

@NetZeroZealot having zoomed in on the high res version I’d say yes he is

It’s dropped off the news today due to the BBC presenter stuff…whoever sent that email to thr wedding guests knows all the shenanigans …v specific

Bruton1
From Official Government Statistics; "It said approximately 335,000 additional deaths had occurred between 2012 and 2019 compared with what had been previously been predicted, and can be attributed to unnecessary austerity measures made by George Osborne, CotE between 2010 and 2015."

You are referring to an academic paper written by researchers at the Glasgow Centre for Population Health and the University of Glasgow - not official government statistics.

Also, the second half of your quote doesn't match the paragraph in your link, which reads;
It said approximately 335,000 additional deaths had occurred between 2012 and 2019 compared with what had been previously been predicted. It also said the change in these trends was greater for people living in the 20% most deprived areas in England, Scotland and Wales.

Austerity was driven by the EU - also from your links;

The European Commission, European Central Bank and International Monetary Fund (the so-called ‘troika’), along with leaders of many European nations, placed an explicit priority on the latter approach to deficit reduction. In theory, deficit reduction can be achieved by either raising taxes or reducing expenditure. When combined these activities are sometimes referred to as ‘fiscal consolidation’. In practice, the majority of deficit reduction policies (>80%) in Europe involved budget cuts rather than tax increases. 2 Consequently, for coherence we refer to these policies as ‘austerity’.