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Medical things you didn’t know?

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Emptychairdoasolo · 04/07/2023 21:09

Just watching a medical drama and wondered what happens if you die on the operating table? Do they just sew you back up without repairing anything inside?

but also had me thinking what other medical things didn’t you know until you maybe experienced them or learned?

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EctopicSpleen · 05/07/2023 12:17

Daffodilsandtuplips · 05/07/2023 12:07

Are you me? I had the same with lower tooth extraction, it took the dentist an hour to get that bloody tooth out.

A friend had a wisdom tooth out under heavy sedation / general anaesthetic. he left feeling a bit bruised an battered, like he'd gone a few rounds with Mike Tyson. It was only when he got home and looked at a mirror that he realised there was a footprint on his shirt at chest level.

BloodyHellKen · 05/07/2023 12:22

Carpediemmakeitcount · 05/07/2023 11:34

People with eating disorders can have diabetes it's called diabetes mellitus. My Dad starved himself to death.

I don't get this one @Carpediemmakeitcount

Why would anyone think that someone with an eating disorder wouldn't be able to get type 1 diabetes in the first place?

Appleofmyeye2023 · 05/07/2023 12:24

Jennalong · 04/07/2023 21:36

When you die your blood pools to the side you die in so that part of the body looks darker . Die on your back to keep it away from your face !
It's called liver mortis.

Post Mortem beauty tips, thanks 🙄🤦‍♀️

Bewildered111 · 05/07/2023 12:24

I’m not at all superstitious. It grinds my gears when you use the word quiet and people seize up, look horrified, look furtively around them and put their fingers to their lips with a shhh sound and say in hushed tones you mustn’t use THAT word. Ridiculous. I would’ve thought people who work on the NHS used science based reasoning not woo woo.

TallulahBetty · 05/07/2023 12:26

Appleofmyeye2023 · 05/07/2023 12:24

Post Mortem beauty tips, thanks 🙄🤦‍♀️

Never heard of gallows humour?

Bramblecrumble22 · 05/07/2023 12:27

Babies don't have more bones. They are born with less. Over time more ossify (eg knee cap and wrists and ankles) Some fuse (skull and pelvis) but the skull and pelvis is still made of multiple bones.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 05/07/2023 12:27

BloodyHellKen · 05/07/2023 12:22

I don't get this one @Carpediemmakeitcount

Why would anyone think that someone with an eating disorder wouldn't be able to get type 1 diabetes in the first place?

He didn't have type 1 he had type 2 he wasn't born with it.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 05/07/2023 12:30

@BloodyHellKen his pancreas wasn't making enough insulin I am assuming he never had diabetes before. I was shocked when I read his death certificate.

Neekoh · 05/07/2023 12:30

BloodyHellKen · 05/07/2023 11:16

This is not really medical more biological but I didn’t know until fairly recently that girls height stops when they start menstruating. (Still not sure if that is correct).

I'm pretty sure that's not correct @willWillSmithsmith

I started my periods at 13 and continued growing until I was much older when I reached 5ft 10. I definitely wasn't 5ft 10 at 13 years old.

Ditto my daughters. The older one has definitely continued growing and the youngest has just started her periods and is quite short (compared to the rest of us) so I hope she continues growing for a few years yet!!

Menstruation starts off the hormonal changes that result in women's bones stopping growing. So girls will generally stop growing (in terms of getting taller, that is) about 18 months to 2 years after their periods start. There are exceptions to this, of course.

Whokilledrogerrabit · 05/07/2023 12:31

When you blush, the inside of your stomach does, too.

BloodyHellKen · 05/07/2023 12:33

Carpediemmakeitcount · 05/07/2023 12:30

@BloodyHellKen his pancreas wasn't making enough insulin I am assuming he never had diabetes before. I was shocked when I read his death certificate.

If his pancreas wasn't making enough insulin he had type 1 diabetes. In type 2 diabetes your pancreas makes lots of insulin but your body can't use it because of insulin resistance.

Also you aren't born with T1D, you can develop it at any age - eg Teresa May developed T1D in her 50's

CaptainMyCaptain · 05/07/2023 12:37

Bewildered111 · 05/07/2023 12:24

I’m not at all superstitious. It grinds my gears when you use the word quiet and people seize up, look horrified, look furtively around them and put their fingers to their lips with a shhh sound and say in hushed tones you mustn’t use THAT word. Ridiculous. I would’ve thought people who work on the NHS used science based reasoning not woo woo.

I bet you're fun to work with. It's tongue in .

CaptainMyCaptain · 05/07/2023 12:38

Cheek. Don't know why that got left off.

GettingStuffed · 05/07/2023 12:40

The type of miles you have are an indicator of how likely you are to get skin cancer. I had an itchy mole removed and I got a letter saying that although it wasn't cancerous I was 25% more likely to get skin cancer than the general population due to the type of was.

whatabeautifulwedding · 05/07/2023 12:43

Pm

paradoxicalfrog · 05/07/2023 12:43

"Menstruation starts off the hormonal changes that result in women's bones stopping growing. So girls will generally stop growing (in terms of getting taller, that is) about 18 months to 2 years after their periods start. There are exceptions to this, of course."

I started regular periods at the age of 11. We were measured annually at school (our height was recorded in our annual reports) and I had no increase in height after the age of 13.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 05/07/2023 12:44

Thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2023 11:27

That's true of quite a lot of drugs: as long as efficacy and safety at a large scale can be demonstrated it almost "doesn't matter" how they work.

So I worked in pharma industry as chemist, and yep this is right to a degree. Scientist start with a hypothesis of how a disease or condition is caused, and then target treatments based on that hypothesis. We start with literally 1000s of potential chemical compounds that might be effective on that hypothesis. That gets whittled down and down, and then more so as go through clinical trials , until you have maybe one that can be registered, and most of the time none at all! But a drug can’t be licensed without some scientific hypothesis of how it works as well as safety, efficacy, data.

so drugs are based on hypothesis and then are proven to work better than a placebo . But it’s hard to prove, outside of stuff like antibiotics and vaccines how they actually work especially where we don’t know the exact pathway of a disease. It is theoretical in most cases.

but I’d argue it DOES matter how they work. As would most scientist in the industry. It is vital that drugs continue to go through studies over the course of their “lifetime”, and that the hypothesis they’re based on is challenged. Otherwise we’d never improve the drug treatments we have. All drugs are a balance of risk (counter indications) vs benefits, and that can always be improved on with newer treatments. Even paracetamol has very significant side effects, so we still aren’t a holy grail of a good over the counter pain killer that has no side effects.

So example of this: interesting the whole class of newer SSRI anti depressants have now been shown not to act in way we thought when they were discovered in late 1980s. The whole notion of depression being caused by interference in serotonin uptake is under doubt. Now we know these drugs work better than placebo , but we now have absolutely no idea for sure how they are working- and calling them SSRIs is now a bit of a joke 🤷🏼‍♀️. But finding this out means is opens up whole new theories of what does causes depression, and how that links to the fact that SSRIs DO have an effect. That’ll help us develop better drugs, more targeted, and hopefully less side effects.

some modern and older medications were derived form natural remedies that have been in use since pre medieval times. In fact the drug Tamoxifen is deceived from Yew trees (literally the drug company collected yew cuttings for years until recently) based on “old wives tales” of helping breast cancer. Salicylic Acid is found in willow and has been used to treat pain for probably millennia and the raw chemical was isolated in late 1800 for first time under brand name Aspirin. Truly a wonder drug in helping not only pain, but heart conditions and potentially cancers. But still no one quite knows how it works

in centuries to come, many of the drugs we use now will be regarded as either a joke or outrageously stupid, as medical knowledge progresses and we learn more about the pathways that cause certain illnesses and diseases.

eggandonion · 05/07/2023 12:47

My daughter works in hospitals and care homes...she's not a nurse but would make visits in a clinical role. An open window is a signal to her not to intrude at end of life for patient or family.
Whilst I accept that nuns in nursing orders in Ireland did a lot of good I can't believe that the many babies, children or mothers who died in certain institutions were treated with utmost dignity.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 05/07/2023 12:49

GettingStuffed · 05/07/2023 12:40

The type of miles you have are an indicator of how likely you are to get skin cancer. I had an itchy mole removed and I got a letter saying that although it wasn't cancerous I was 25% more likely to get skin cancer than the general population due to the type of was.

Interesting- I’m pale skinned and burn easily. But have few moles or freckles -freckles deficit probably cos I simply avoid sun

yet I have had 3 skin cancers removed, Basel cell carcinomas fortunately.

they do not appear as moles. People need to be aware of this. The first one I had was a spot on my cheek: small red, raised with a dip in middle- like a little volcano shape. I didn’t think anything of it until it started bleeding at slightest knock or rub with a towel. Even then at first I thought it was just a pimple that bled a bit. The spot didn’t grow. It took me a long time to go to GP, who knew right away what it was thankfully.

so, yes certain types of moles can indicate a predisposition to certain skin cancers - but that is a small part of the picture

SOBplus · 05/07/2023 12:50

Bramblecrumble22 · 05/07/2023 12:27

Babies don't have more bones. They are born with less. Over time more ossify (eg knee cap and wrists and ankles) Some fuse (skull and pelvis) but the skull and pelvis is still made of multiple bones.

Babies have far MORE bones than adults, they fuse as they age to make fewer:

A baby's body has about 300 bones at birth. These eventually fuse (grow together) to form the 206 bones that adults have. Some of a baby's bones are made entirely of a special material called cartilage (say: KAR-tel-ij).

Your Bones (for Kids) - Nemours KidsHealth

Your Bones (for Kids) - Nemours KidsHealth

Where would you be without your bones? Learn more about the skeletal system in this article for kids.

https://kidshealth.org/en/kids/bones.html#:~:text=A%20baby's%20body%20has%20about,KAR%2Dtel%2Dij).

ExcitingTimes2021 · 05/07/2023 12:58

YouAndMeAndThem · 04/07/2023 21:40

You can't be declared dead until the heart stops beating. The attending doctor has to listen for heart sounds for one minute and cannot declare death until this is absent.

You can actually. It’s called brain stem death x

Appleofmyeye2023 · 05/07/2023 12:59

user1469908686 · 05/07/2023 08:47

My poor DC had two baby molars out that were growing wonky and stopping adult teeth coming through. Dentist was practically sat on them leaning all her weight on shoulders and chest. Was brutal to watch. But DC insists they couldn’t feel anything! They’ve a pretty hardcore pain tolerance though.

This may be too much info- trigger warning and all that
Horrifically, my flat mate at Uni, who was doing dentistry, came home one day in floods of tears and massively shaken up. They’d been doing a tooth extraction with a group of students under guidance of a professor, professor had told one of students (not her) to use more force and get his back into it and student ripped the jaw bone apart . 😱😱. We supposed that patients Jaw bone had been weakened by infection or whatever, but still …always taken a more cautious approach to dentistry 😳🤷🏼‍♀️

thing47 · 05/07/2023 13:07

I've got one. Heart bypass surgery, despite its name, can in fact be carried out without putting the patient on bypass.

Thepeopleversuswork · 05/07/2023 13:07

@Appleofmyeye2023

Thank you that's really interesting... I have to admit to having the worst kind of half-arsed knowledge of this as a non-scientist who has worked in and around the pharmaceutical industry and picked up a lot of jargon.

But it was very striking to me when I started working with this industry that although there is a lot of work done by extremely clever people trying to understand the mechanisms of action of various drugs, it's still very hit and miss.

And as you say a lot of drugs are approved because we somehow know they work but without really knowing why they work. Hopefully that's changing but it's still amazing how little we know about this.

Bewildered111 · 05/07/2023 13:10

CaptainMyCaptain · 05/07/2023 12:37

I bet you're fun to work with. It's tongue in .

I don’t think hammy old cliches are funny. And I’ve worked with people who really do get quite agitated about it😁

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