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FLIGHTRADAR24 Russian plane to Washington ?

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nasturtiumkiller · 27/06/2023 10:11

Anyone know what this is ?

www.flightradar24.com/RSD898/30e449fe

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Chersfrozenface · 27/06/2023 11:40

Flights from Russia by Russian-registered planes plus other non-Russian-registered aircraft which is owned or chartered, or otherwise controlled by any Russian natural or legal person, entity or body, are not allowed to land in, take off from or overfly the territory of the European Union, except in case of an emergency landing or emergency overflight. Norway has mirrored this ban in legislation.

So presumably it had to have special permission to overfly Norway.

FictionalCharacter · 27/06/2023 11:40

BarbaraofSeville · 27/06/2023 10:51

Genuine question from someone who knows nothing about these types of things.

If a plane is in the sky without permission/approval, does it show up on Flightradar? Ie is it the radar that picks them up and then they are shown. Or is it an illustration of all the planes that have told 'the authorities' they're flying?

What happens if someone just takes off and tells no-one? I think this is where the military come in?

So while the OP seems to be suggesting that either this plane is Putin going over to duff up the Yanks, or to say 'you know what, I CBA with this any more, I'm going to live out my days on a beach in Borneo', what's really going on here?

Visibility on FR isn’t to do with permission, and not all flights need permission anyway. Radar can “see” all aircraft, but they’re identified by the aircraft’s transponder. Sometimes the transponder isn’t switched on and it doesn’t always need to be. Military aircraft are sometimes visible on FR and sometimes not. Sometimes they suddenly “disappear” off FR because they’ve switched off.
FR doesn’t include some high profile aircraft and VIP flights for security reasons.
It’s an interesting rabbit hole to go down if you want to!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flightradar24
As for what they’re doing, no way to tell unless there’s a connected news item.

Flightradar24 - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flightradar24

stbrandonsboat · 27/06/2023 11:43

I keep thinking about Rudolph Hess 🤭

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Phos · 27/06/2023 11:45

BarbaraofSeville · 27/06/2023 10:55

I now see there are a few Eurofighter Typhoons hanging around over the North Sea.

https://www.flightradar24.com/GUNFTR31/30e49f25

Is this where we're supposed to start adding up 2 + 2 =5?

They're almost always there. Lots of training flights taking off from Darlington or other north east RAF bases.

LaBefana · 27/06/2023 11:53

stbrandonsboat · 27/06/2023 11:43

I keep thinking about Rudolph Hess 🤭

Was he a distant relative of Rudolf Hess, German deputy Führer from 1933 to 1941?

Piscesmumma1978 · 27/06/2023 11:53

Flightradar frustrates me so much!

I hear you, I can see but your not on my app??!! 😜

watcherintherye · 27/06/2023 11:53

I think many people don’t appreciate how wide-ranging the interests and knowledge of MN users really are!

stbrandonsboat · 27/06/2023 11:54

LaBefana · 27/06/2023 11:53

Was he a distant relative of Rudolf Hess, German deputy Führer from 1933 to 1941?

Oh, I spelled it wrong? 😂

Iliketulips · 27/06/2023 11:55

Would I be right in thinking if anyone important was on board, they'd be taking off and landing at military bases? Either way, checked on VKO departures and IAD arrivals and (as expected) it's not on those.

Itisyourturntowashthebath · 27/06/2023 11:58

Since the war started Putin has only travelled on rsd629 and rsd697.

I can also hear the fighter over Salisbury plain, this has just appeared on FR
Thales Watchkeeper WK450

CaramelicedLatte · 27/06/2023 11:58

Iliketulips · 27/06/2023 11:55

Would I be right in thinking if anyone important was on board, they'd be taking off and landing at military bases? Either way, checked on VKO departures and IAD arrivals and (as expected) it's not on those.

It is showing on IAD arrivals at 13.41.

Chersfrozenface · 27/06/2023 11:59

Iliketulips · 27/06/2023 11:55

Would I be right in thinking if anyone important was on board, they'd be taking off and landing at military bases? Either way, checked on VKO departures and IAD arrivals and (as expected) it's not on those.

I imagine it would have to have someone important on board as FR notes that the aircraft belongs to the Special Flight Squadron, which operates under the command of the Kremlin and is used to transport high-ranking government officials and representatives of special services and the armed forces.

notimagain · 27/06/2023 12:09

GCalltheway · 27/06/2023 10:35

Unusual?

Just commented on this elsewhere..

basically without knowing the usual patterns/rotations for these aircraft you can’t tell the significance from one flight.

As some know theses sorts of flights (diplomatic) have been going on on an irregular basis for months so ????

LaBefana · 27/06/2023 12:13

Itisyourturntowashthebath · 27/06/2023 11:58

Since the war started Putin has only travelled on rsd629 and rsd697.

I can also hear the fighter over Salisbury plain, this has just appeared on FR
Thales Watchkeeper WK450

WK450 is a pilotless drone. Interesting they are reviving the old WK series which previously started with Canberras from WK102 in 1954

Oakbeam · 27/06/2023 12:23

Radar can “see” all aircraft, but they’re identified by the aircraft’s transponder.

It’s important to note that radar can’t see all aircraft everywhere. Radar coverage of the globe is not total. The curvature of the Earth prevents land based radar reaching far out to sea. Most of the world’s oceans are big blind spots. I these situations, aircraft have to actively transmit their position.

That’s why MH370 was able to disappear without trace.

The orange bits are where air traffic control radar can see.

FLIGHTRADAR24 Russian plane to Washington ?
confusedlots · 27/06/2023 12:29

I can see it again. Just below Iceland

MooMooSharoo · 27/06/2023 12:30

For those FR24 fans, take a look at this website also - ADSB Exchange

It sometimes has aircraft on it that don't show up on FR24 (police helicopters for instance) but you can also click the "U" button at the top and it's a military aircraft filter.

I believe there's a bit of a "dead" zone over the Atlantic as the US systems put a delay on where an aircraft really is for security purposes.

ADS-B Exchange - track aircraft live

ADS-B Exchange - track aircraft live - aircraft flight history

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

Piscesmumma1978 · 27/06/2023 12:33

confusedlots · 27/06/2023 12:29

I can see it again. Just below Iceland

I've found it as well. Going to Washington.

notimagain · 27/06/2023 12:37

stbrandonsboat · 27/06/2023 11:05

They've turned the transponder off so it can't be on flight radar anymore.

Objectively that is highly highly unlikely for a flight of that nature in the airspace it is in.

Others have given a rundown on the basics but fundamentally it all boils down to Flightradar (and the other tracker sites) simply not having universal worldwide coverage..because there aren't enough amateurs in a region running ground stations and/or they don't have access to the data the mil?ATC have...Amateur covereage is particularly "thin" over remote areas.

So occasionally aircraft go into the gaps and the sites dump them from the display or go into a predictive mode..OTOH behind consoles in the pro world ATC/the mil the watchers may still have access to the transponder data e.g. through satcom or their own receivers...

Rather then trying to inform on secondary radar and ADS 101 I'll offer up this link, which is flight radars own explanation of the issue:

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works

Live Flight Tracker - Real-Time Flight Tracker Map | Flightradar24

The world’s most popular flight tracker. Track planes in real-time on our flight tracker map and get up-to-date flight status & airport information.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works

mindfluff · 27/06/2023 12:48

watcherintherye · 27/06/2023 11:53

I think many people don’t appreciate how wide-ranging the interests and knowledge of MN users really are!

I think Flightradar is a fairly common / mainstream thing tbf. I don't sit around tracking it in my free time but everytime there's a worldwide event (eg Afghanistan evacuation), Twitter/Instagram/Tiktok go Flightradar mad

EddieVeddersfoxymop · 27/06/2023 12:49

All the typhoons off the East Coast are in normal military training airspace. They are there all the time, including the refuelling tankers and the Dessault Falcons for dogfight practice.
However, I can't help but wonder as we've had more phoons than usual out and about today (ne scotland).

notimagain · 27/06/2023 12:50

Piscesmumma1978 · 27/06/2023 12:33

I've found it as well. Going to Washington.

If you look at the track you can see the parts where the aircraft was in some form of real time coverage (blue solid line) and where it wasn't, there was a coverage gap and track was predictive/interpolated (black dotted section).

Most civil high level traffic over the Atlantic is hooked up to ATC data by satellite these days and would stay in coverage...be interesting to see if this Russian flight has now Logged on to satellite, in which case it will stay actively tracked, or if it isn't will it drop off/ disappears or goes predictive again.

Mochudubh · 27/06/2023 12:50

There's an RAF Eurofighter over the Cromarty Firth which appears to be shadowing another that's "privately owned" but it might just be from another EUAir Force.

theemmadilemma · 27/06/2023 12:54

Thank you for the explanations on this thread. I do find it a bit fascinating.

LorraineInSpain · 27/06/2023 12:56

I’ve found this on Flightradar24, but there’s another plane near it that seems to be red (which I think is an emergency?) - AFR079

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