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Our PM lives in a different world

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Marmablade · 25/06/2023 14:55

Article on BBC News today reporting Rishi Sunak reassuring people to hold their nerve and get through high interest rates.

This is the man who paid £325,826 in capital gains tax and £120,604 in UK income tax on a total of £1.9m in the last tax year.

Of that £1.9m, £156,163 came from his parliamentary salary, £173,398 come from investment and savings income and about £1.641m from capital gains - profit made on the sale of assets.

How can a man with an income of £1.9m a year possibly understand what the average person is feeling right now?? Holding our nerve won't pay the mortgage this month.

BBC News - Rishi Sunak urges people to hold their nerve on interest rates
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66012301

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jgw1 · 04/08/2023 10:18

cansu · 04/08/2023 10:15

Madamewhiteleigh
He is doing his job very badly. He is supposed to make life better and provide well functioning public services. People are poor, struggling and the services they rely on are in crisis. Having an understanding of the real life concerns of people are important. If your kids are privately educated and you have private health are and a bank balance which means you never have to work again does not help in this endeavour.

It is possible to be very rich and to understand the needs of others, one just has to visit Bournville or Port Sunlight to know that, but Sunak has demonstrated repeatedy that he is not interested in the plight of thosw less lucky than him.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/08/2023 10:20

jgw1 · 04/08/2023 10:14

Who elected Sunak?

More tedium. Presumably the point you are trying to make is that because Sunak became PM mid-term he isn’t worried about whether people vote for him or not. This is too stupid to bother with, I’m sorry.

Nemesias · 04/08/2023 10:47

jgw1 · 04/08/2023 10:14

Who elected Sunak?

If you don’t understand how he came to be the leader of the Conservative Party perhaps you should go and do some basic googling

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MadamWhiteleigh · 04/08/2023 10:53

jgw1 · 04/08/2023 09:45

So we should judge Sunak on the billions in fraud he permitted as chancellor then?

Yeah, that’s fine! Don’t vote for him!

Kazzyhoward · 04/08/2023 10:54

Nemesias · 04/08/2023 10:47

If you don’t understand how he came to be the leader of the Conservative Party perhaps you should go and do some basic googling

We all know he wasn't elected. He became prime minister by default as there were no other challengers. Presumably the prospective challengers had been "nobbled" by promises of cabinet jobs and other things.

RosaGallica · 04/08/2023 11:02

Totally agree op, of course he doesn’t live in the working person’s world. That’s the whole point of all the work all of our politicians have been doing since at least Blair - you can argue about Thatcher’s intentions but Blair was definitely angling to create a new globalist class of aristocrats. Aided and abetted by the stable inheriting middle classes, they do not care about working serfs, whether those with slightly higher wages or no.

chopc · 04/08/2023 11:03

I understand your gripe OP but I think Sunak is the most qualified option to get us out of this mess we are in due to his experience and education. He was not born wealthy and has surpassed his parents earnings by multiples. How? His parents slogged their guts off, sent him to an excellent school which gave him confidence and opportunities. However Sunak was intelligent and aspirational himself .

Instead of resenting him, why don't you try and learn from him? Unless you are disabled or ill, there is always opportunity to better your position. Yes you need to have family support to start off with but that is also under the control of your parents - not the PM

beguilingeyes · 04/08/2023 11:36

ReleasetheCrackHen · 03/08/2023 21:35

I’ve been racking my brain, what law did Sunak break?

He got two fixed penalty notices recently. One for attending a lockdown party (and lying about it) and the other one was a seatbelt thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/12/boris-johnson-and-rishi-sunak-fined-for-breaking-covid-lockdown-laws

Also, his wife claimed non-dom status for years while living in Downing Street. Non illegal, but morally dubious when married to a Government Minister.

"Rishi has played his advantages far better than silly Keir has. I’ve got far more time for that than pompous bloviating lefty fartarsing.
Play the hand you’re dealt well - Sunak certainly has."

Absolutely, Keir should have married a billionaire's daughter.

Boris Johnson defies calls to quit after he and Rishi Sunak fined

PM, chancellor and Carrie Johnson given fixed-penalty notices for attending No 10 lockdown party

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/12/boris-johnson-and-rishi-sunak-fined-for-breaking-covid-lockdown-laws

kannnet96 · 04/08/2023 11:38

It could be argued that someone from more modest background could never understand the complex tax situations of bid business.

Now I'm not saying that but it's not fair to judge what we think someone may understand

jgw1 · 04/08/2023 11:42

MadamWhiteleigh · 04/08/2023 10:53

Yeah, that’s fine! Don’t vote for him!

I wasn't aware that I had yet had the opportunity to vote for him, given that he wasn't elected as Conservative Leader, but rather lost to someone who was outlasted by a lettuce.

ReleasetheCrackHen · 04/08/2023 11:53

jgw1 · 04/08/2023 11:42

I wasn't aware that I had yet had the opportunity to vote for him, given that he wasn't elected as Conservative Leader, but rather lost to someone who was outlasted by a lettuce.

? His opponent Penny Mordaunt dropped out because she couldn’t even get 100 nominations. He lost to Liz Truss I personally think partly due to systemic racism as when the two were competing he was obviously the better qualified candidate.

calmcoco · 04/08/2023 12:14

ReleasetheCrackHen · 04/08/2023 11:53

? His opponent Penny Mordaunt dropped out because she couldn’t even get 100 nominations. He lost to Liz Truss I personally think partly due to systemic racism as when the two were competing he was obviously the better qualified candidate.

I am not sure being better than Truss is even provable. Sunak is talking about 'maxing out' on fossil fuels - is that any less reckless than Truss & Kwarteng's reckless mini budget?

calmcoco · 04/08/2023 12:17

kannnet96 · 04/08/2023 11:38

It could be argued that someone from more modest background could never understand the complex tax situations of bid business.

Now I'm not saying that but it's not fair to judge what we think someone may understand

It is entirely fair to judge our leaders when they appear not to understand the veryday life of the people they claim to lead.

Sunak clearly does not take advice on normal life from those who understand normal life, and appears not to understand it himself - he can't even pay for petrol properly.

PMs are advised by experts in business taxation, they don't make the rules up by themselves.

jgw1 · 04/08/2023 12:26

chopc · 04/08/2023 11:03

I understand your gripe OP but I think Sunak is the most qualified option to get us out of this mess we are in due to his experience and education. He was not born wealthy and has surpassed his parents earnings by multiples. How? His parents slogged their guts off, sent him to an excellent school which gave him confidence and opportunities. However Sunak was intelligent and aspirational himself .

Instead of resenting him, why don't you try and learn from him? Unless you are disabled or ill, there is always opportunity to better your position. Yes you need to have family support to start off with but that is also under the control of your parents - not the PM

But is Sunak successful?

Yes if all you care about is money he is hugely successful, if other things matter perhaps less so.

He lacks morals - see for example Stop the boats, breaking the law and standing by his predecessor as they lied in parliament about it, climate change.

Despite his vast wealth and his position as Prime Minister he is not the least bit interested in making the world a better place for most people.

Spanky123 · 04/08/2023 12:27

chopc · 04/08/2023 11:03

I understand your gripe OP but I think Sunak is the most qualified option to get us out of this mess we are in due to his experience and education. He was not born wealthy and has surpassed his parents earnings by multiples. How? His parents slogged their guts off, sent him to an excellent school which gave him confidence and opportunities. However Sunak was intelligent and aspirational himself .

Instead of resenting him, why don't you try and learn from him? Unless you are disabled or ill, there is always opportunity to better your position. Yes you need to have family support to start off with but that is also under the control of your parents - not the PM

This is spot on. He is the best person for the job and has worked incredibly hard to get there.

jgw1 · 04/08/2023 12:28

Spanky123 · 04/08/2023 12:27

This is spot on. He is the best person for the job and has worked incredibly hard to get there.

He cost the UK government billions of pounds in fraud when he was Chancellor, and his current two main policies, stop the boats and increase climate change are mutually contradictory.

Could you share with us anything he has achieved in his time in government?

calmcoco · 04/08/2023 12:31

Spanky123 · 04/08/2023 12:27

This is spot on. He is the best person for the job and has worked incredibly hard to get there.

I am Shock anyone can watch Sunak in action and think he's the BEST person for the job.

He's clearly rubbish.

Half the economic mess we are in now is caused by his actions as chancellor, and he backed brexit which was economic self-harm of some magnitude, and he wants to double down on fossil fuels which is holding us back, and he has no growth plans...

calmcoco · 04/08/2023 12:33

Despite his vast wealth and his position as Prime Minister he is not the least bit interested in making the world a better place for most people. I think this is key. Sunak has no vision to make anything better. He wants to shit on those at the bottom, he has openly declared he wants to use divisive politics, he wants to accelarate climate change.

Kazzyhoward · 04/08/2023 12:37

Spanky123 · 04/08/2023 12:27

This is spot on. He is the best person for the job and has worked incredibly hard to get there.

He was responsible for billions lost to fraud during covid, bounce back loans, etc., and at the same time responsible for 3 million freelancers and self employed being excluded from covid support. Then lying about it in Parliament instead of admitting his mistakes and correcting them.

If he's the "best person", then I despair!

Kazzyhoward · 04/08/2023 12:40

calmcoco · 04/08/2023 12:33

Despite his vast wealth and his position as Prime Minister he is not the least bit interested in making the world a better place for most people. I think this is key. Sunak has no vision to make anything better. He wants to shit on those at the bottom, he has openly declared he wants to use divisive politics, he wants to accelarate climate change.

It's obvious he's been parachuted in by "influential" people in the background. He wasn't even an MP for long before he got ministerial position then almost immediately "promoted" to Chancellor, then was nudged into place as PM, all within a ridiculously short period of time. Someone is pulling strings for an ulterior motive.

Most PMs have had many years of being a backbencher, then work up through minor ministerial positions through to cabinet positions, usually over quite a long time period. Sunak came from nowhere, and undoubtedly will disappear again just as quickly once he's done his paymasters' bidding!

calmcoco · 04/08/2023 12:40

Sunak's net favourability is -21% so not many people agree he is the 'best person' for the job.

tobee · 04/08/2023 12:41

"Unless you are disabled or ill, there is always opportunity "

And if you are disabled or ill?

Spanky123 · 04/08/2023 12:41

Would lizz truss be the preferred option, or kier starmer?

Kazzyhoward · 04/08/2023 12:44

Spanky123 · 04/08/2023 12:41

Would lizz truss be the preferred option, or kier starmer?

It's such a race to the bottom isn't it?

We've had choice of Truss, Sunak or now, Starmer. The USA has had Trump and Biden. Russia has Putin.

Something is clearly happening that is stopping "normal" people from wanting to go into high level politics. Either that, or there is so much corruption that the people pulling the strings have enough power/money to put their puppets into power to do their bidding.

I really despair at politics over the past 20 years or so. So, so depressing.

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