The next person who tells me we all need to move on...

[Youknowaboutthepaint]

Is likely to get both barrels.

So many people still seem convinced that "the other lot" would be even worse, even though they can't begin to tell me why.

That Christmas, while our esteemed leaders were partying was DH's last. He spent it at home, in pain, without access to the medical care he needed and without seeing anyone except those he lived with.

A few days later he went into to hospital where he stayed for 3 months, without a single visitor. During that time he was told, alone, by telephone because his consultant was shielding, that his cancer was terminal, stil he wasn't allowed any visitors. He never met his oncologist and I had to fight every day to find anyone who would talk to me about his prognosis/ treatment/pain control/return home.

He came home eventually once they'd managed to get his pain under some sort of control, to die, a shadow of the man his DC had last seen, still officially not allowed any visitors. (Although by that point anyone who wanted to visited, I classified as a carer).

Then we had to restrict numbers at his funeral.

All the while those making the decisions that had affected us so badly were having the time of their life. Most are still in power/working in governement, making the laws that affect us all, dishing out or receiving honours, spending our money. And they've lied about it continuously since.

I'm still trying to support severely traumatised children whose lives were badly affected by lockdowns, even if they hadn't had to deal with all the stuff with their dad.

I'm generally a fairly easy going, resilient sort, but I dare anyone to tell me it's time we got over it.

@JenniferBooth

All I think is that if we could follow the rules and get on with it, others should have too. In government and elsewhere. Particularly disgusted about the behaviour of gov but no less where others behaved badly.

With regard to the Amazon driver - and I really wish I hadn’t mentioned the company now!!! - my friend was vulnerable and shielding, and she was let down by someone she counted on to protect her and bring her necessary supplies.

I don’t think a driver having a days pay is more important than a person’s life.

With regard to care workers. The staff in the home were incredible, really fabulous and they truly loved and cared for residents. They had some staff leave and had to take on 2 bank workers for a short period. They were two teenagers who hadn’t been vaccinated and had gone to an illegal rave. And they killed off 4 residents when they brought covid in. I feel that they could have made more considerate choices.

I do wonder if the same would be said about a murderer or abuser who happened to have an important job to do and a few years had gone by. They need to be punished with penalties proportionate to their financial means and loose pensions for misconduct then that money could go to helping the economy

@Robinni i posted upthread about how Amazon workers were WRONGLY tested positive for Covid.

Op I’m so sorry.

yes I feel like screaming at the next person who tells me to move on.

yes it wasn’t them who had to fight to get dh seen, when he became suddenly ill.

he had to wait so long for chemo which he never had (he died the day before he was due to start because of covid restrictions)

i had to choose which one out of my 4 kids who could come to our hospital wedding.

my dds had to isolate away from me for 2 weeks because we couldn’t risk them coming into the hospital and hospital,they couldn’t see their beloved dad until 2’hours before he died

then we had to restrict numbers at the funeral.

They’ve not had to witness the terrible effect it’s left in my 13 year old dd who was 11 at the time.

but yeah move on.

im so angry

@jannier comparing people who catch Covid with murderers and abusers is ridiculous If you think that then pick up your own shit instead of getting it delivered.

@StormShadow

If we could “afford” to lose the amount we did.

Others could “afford” to lose a few hundred here and there if needing to isolate.

I’m sorry but we are going to have to agree to disagree.

I do not see this sort of rule breaking as any different to what gov rule breakers did.

It’s all equally as horrible.

I'm so sorry. I really think (hope) history will show this as a period when the human race lost all pretence at civilisation. What happened that medical/caring professionals or anyone else were prepared to support that?!

The ultimate hypocrisy was the emotional blackmail and the using of disabled people (like DH) to bully berate and emotionally blackmail others to follow nonsensical rules. When they couldnt care less about disabled people the rest of the time. I dont like users.

Well no, we won't be agreeing to disagree because your contention that you being able to afford to lose an amount means others also could is wrong. You and your income are not the default. Facts aren't affected by whether you choose to acknowledge them.

As I said, from a policy perspective, failure to address our inadequate statutory sick pay provisions was a decision that meant some people were priced out of isolation. There's no getting round that. I get that some people might argue the money was better spent on something else or whatever, but airily saying let them isolate on cake is self-indulgent.

Ya absolutely not BU.

And we need people to remain angry to prevent us going there again.

I'm just so sorry people had to suffer like your family did for there to be anger at the abhorrent breach of trust from this government.

@StormShadow I suspect that poster doesnt agree because she wouldnt have wanted her taxes paying for it. That is why some people favoured lockdowns over the provision of enough money for those on lower incomes to self isolate

Who said catch Covid? I mean people in power making rules they don't follow them lying about it while allowing the minions to suffer mental cruelty while they organise and attend events like the jingle mingle

Oh i thought you were calling the workers who couldnt isolate murderers and abusers. Sorry i misunderstood Agree with you

I do not see this sort of rule breaking as any different to what gov rule breakers did

Are you fucking serious Low income workers were told Covid wasnt serious enough for them not to go to work but serious enough for them not to have leisure/parties/family time. They wernt fucking partying They were WORKING Its nowhere near the same.

Well you wont have that sweet spot again Next time i reckon essential workers will lock down too.

So IF there is a next time @Robinni im guessing you will get exactly what you wish for!

omg @JenniferBooth

We are from a working class background.

We were not paying tonnes of tax at that point.

I certainly did not favour lockdowns, they had a dreadful impact on us. And it was annoying to see people rule breaking and prolonging the entire saga for everyone.

I already said SSP is inadequate.

But equally people saying they are happy to spread a potentially deadly virus around in order to keep a few hundred in their pocket… it just seems a madness.

We accepted the financial consequences as stark as what they were and got on.

So if they had did as they were told and ordered the scotch egg that would have prevented Covid

@JenniferBooth there is no IF about it.

The WHO is trying to get govs to agree to pandemic preparedness treaty to ensure that for the next one countries are well prepared and work in unison.

I would suspect that the outcomes from the current inquiry will feed into whatever agreement is made in the end.

The Covid enquiry is a whitewash

@Robinni if essential workers lock down there will be no internet no water and civil unrest

Because if they ramp up the scare tactics again they are unlikely to hit the sweet spot where essential workers arent too scared to go out to work Its a huge risk to take that they will get that lucky and hit the sweet spot a second time

On 20th May 2020 I was told my baby had no heartbeat one of the days they were partying.

I then had to go through all the hospital appointments myself. Getting information from the nurse while trying to text dh about it as of course he wasn't allowed in. Having to choose the tablets as apparently Scotland stopped all surgical removals. Having to continue working while waiting to pass my baby.

When I was pregnant after that I still had to go for all appointments on my own apart from 12 and 20 weeks scan. Was in getting a ctg and a woman was crying after being told she needed a procedure and her husband wasn't allowed in, she was terrified.

But hey, we should all move on....

I am so, so sorry you had to go through that, @GrandTheftWalrus.

Thank you. I don't think I ever really processed it properly.

I can completely see why. It's so awful that you were treated like that, pregnant women were thrown under a bus during the pandemic.

They were. Obviously people like the OP had it a lot lot worse and I don't want to take away from that.

It was more the way I got an internal scan, told yes its gone and then straight into a room to discuss options. Which were let nature take its course or tablets. I asked about surgery and they said no they are all stopped. I was actually at work at a temp hospital for covid when the contractions happened. I had no idea I would actually have contractions, they didn't tell me.