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Teacher strikes 5th and 7th July

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noblegiraffe · 17/06/2023 18:39

Just announced, because Gillian Keegan has refused to clarify whether the DfE will accept the recommendation of a 6.5% pay rise from the independent pay review body, and is also refusing the publish the report.

She is also refusing to re-enter into negotiations with teachers and headteachers.

The NEU will be striking in July, all 4 teaching unions, including the headteaching unions are currently balloting for strike action in the Autumn term.

https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/teacher-strikes-2-further-days-next-month

Teachers to strike for 2 further days next month

England’s largest teaching union, the NEU, has announced strike dates on 5 and 7 July

https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/teacher-strikes-2-further-days-next-month

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jenandberrys · 18/06/2023 09:58

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 09:36

Teachers have not convinced parents at all. I’m no longer on side.

during covid I was working in social work. We went out to our families throughout when schools were closed. we never stopped. Never closed down. Hospitals. Train stations. Supermarkets. All opened. Never closed down.

but schools, yes you did. You closed down and my kids and all the kids i worked with got no education.

get up and go to work. Display your agitations elsewhere without the children needing to miss more education. Has any union suggested alternatives such as that teachers don’t upload SATS scores? Has any union suggested marching during holidays? Has any union considered the impact on the children of further days off, in a year when we had yet another bank holiday for the selfish royals.

my blood is boiling. My children are missing out, and so are yours. Oh, unless you’ve got kids in private schools of course, those kids get to go to school. Course they do.

Schools didn’t close and if you work in children’s social work I wouldn’t be bragging about your stellar job in Covid, there were an awful lot of dead kids after lockdown. Appears that social work can’t even do their job when it’s a matter of life and death.

AnneLovesGilbert · 18/06/2023 10:04

jenandberrys · 18/06/2023 09:55

Maybe don’t have kids if you can’t afford to look after them.

That’s really nasty.

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 10:05

jenandberrys · 18/06/2023 09:58

Schools didn’t close and if you work in children’s social work I wouldn’t be bragging about your stellar job in Covid, there were an awful lot of dead kids after lockdown. Appears that social work can’t even do their job when it’s a matter of life and death.

Not bragging about the stellar job we did. Just saying we went into homes. Never stopped going in.

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Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 10:06

ThrallsWife · 18/06/2023 09:58

@Dumbphone She was too busy co-running departments on skeleton staff and dealing with parents with attitude to do too much, funnily enough.

It's Sunday and I'm working. I have also been working a little yesterday and on Friday night, too. Because I still have to do what I can to improve those schemes of learning despite knowing that half of them will go out of the window due to lack of staff, just so that we can show Ofsted what we'd do if we actually had teachers. But I can't do that during working hours, because I need to cover for the staff we don't have, invigilate and scribe instead of the staff we could have paid but can't afford to.

I was in over lockdown, yes. I was in with the vulnerable children we still kept school open for, and I worked harder than ever during lockdown to prepare live lessons, live assessments and still do all the admin my role required.

I am a single mother of 2. I sometimes park my own kids in front of the TV or console just so I can work a little more. My car broke down a few months back and I was in tears because I couldn't afford to replace it, even with a similar, 17-year-old model. Part of my roof caved in a few weeks back and, again, I was in tears, because even spending the £700 I was quoted to repair the damage was too much. Same when I needed a plumber a few months before that.

And I have 20 years' experience, am on a TLR and UPS. When I started teaching that salary would have meant a comfortable life. Now I barely scrape by.

I don’t disagree with your aims. I’m asking what else teachers have tried to avoid this. Has there been mass agreement that stats won’t be reported to d of e for example? Has there been mass protests outside of term time?

jenandberrys · 18/06/2023 10:07

AnneLovesGilbert · 18/06/2023 10:04

That’s really nasty.

Only on Mumsnet would it be considered nasty to suggest people look after and support their own children. 😂😂😂

jenandberrys · 18/06/2023 10:08

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 10:05

Not bragging about the stellar job we did. Just saying we went into homes. Never stopped going in.

And schools weren’t closed and teachers continued to work, many in fact carried out home visits in addition to what they were doing in school or remotely, so I am not sure what your point is.

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 10:10

And i never put my kids in ‘keyworker school’ though they were eligible as I too am a single mum. I didn’t do this because school repeatedly said your kids will get no learning, they’re doing the same sheets as everyone else without teacher support just in the school building.

so my kids would do their sheets at home, then a few extra bits i gave them, and then roblox ALL DAY LONG while I worked. 8am-7/8/9/10/11pm as social workers do too. Saturdays and Sundays as social workers do too.

your position is not uniquely awful as teachers. Nurses, doctors, in fact anyone in a public sector role is suffering because of this government.

what is uniquely awful is that teachers both closed down in covid, and now withdraw the thing the kids need most - education.

NowItsLikeSnowAtTheBeach · 18/06/2023 10:11

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 10:05

Not bragging about the stellar job we did. Just saying we went into homes. Never stopped going in.

And a lot of teaching/TA staff carried on going into schools. I was still going in to be with the vulnerable children and run bubbles when that was allowed. I never stopped.

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 10:11

jenandberrys · 18/06/2023 10:08

And schools weren’t closed and teachers continued to work, many in fact carried out home visits in addition to what they were doing in school or remotely, so I am not sure what your point is.

My kids school was closed. As we’re the vast majority of the schools I worked with.

keyworker school was not providing an education

SiobahnRoy · 18/06/2023 10:16

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 10:10

And i never put my kids in ‘keyworker school’ though they were eligible as I too am a single mum. I didn’t do this because school repeatedly said your kids will get no learning, they’re doing the same sheets as everyone else without teacher support just in the school building.

so my kids would do their sheets at home, then a few extra bits i gave them, and then roblox ALL DAY LONG while I worked. 8am-7/8/9/10/11pm as social workers do too. Saturdays and Sundays as social workers do too.

your position is not uniquely awful as teachers. Nurses, doctors, in fact anyone in a public sector role is suffering because of this government.

what is uniquely awful is that teachers both closed down in covid, and now withdraw the thing the kids need most - education.

what is uniquely awful is that teachers both closed down in covid, and now withdraw the thing the kids need most - education.

Teachers didn’t close schools for Covid that was a government decision.

annahay · 18/06/2023 10:17

@Dumbphone you should read about action short of strike action. That's what's been tried. It means working to rule. It made no difference.

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 10:19

SiobahnRoy · 18/06/2023 10:16

what is uniquely awful is that teachers both closed down in covid, and now withdraw the thing the kids need most - education.

Teachers didn’t close schools for Covid that was a government decision.

Private schools were closed down too and offered full days virtual learning

NowItsLikeSnowAtTheBeach · 18/06/2023 10:19

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 09:46

What did @ThrallsWife do to raise the alarm before striking? What has she/he done to protest the government? What has been done before impacting the children? Tell us this and maybe you can get parents on side. @ThrallsWife may have worked throughout covid, but my kids teachers didn’t. One was MIA, the other saw the kids not at all first lockdown and 20 min video call a week in second lockdown. Private school kids got full 5/6 hrs a day video call teaching!

the vast majority of parents are pissed off. You’re not going to get gov on side if you keep alienating us.

social work on its knees too. I don’t know a single SW that would turn off their service to children because of this. There are other options.

I suspect most parents will be even more pissed off when they realise their children have giant classes on countless days and constant supply/TAs/Randoms 'teaching' them as WE CAN'T FINDTEACHERS OR EXPERIENCED TAs ANYMORE! They're not applying for our open jobs!

I suspect most parents will be furious when their secondary schools can't get science/maths/computer teachers because it's not worth the hassle or pay when they can work in industry.

I suspect most parents will be furious when they have very limited GCSE 'choices' (and I use the term choice loosely, as there's hardly any in many schools now) because they can't get the necessary specialists.

I suspect most parents will be furious when their Year 7, 8 and 9 children get an endless stream of supply/newly qualified/inexperienced/short timers/PE teachers teaching maths/science because any remaining appropriate subject qualified teachers have to work with the Year 10s and 11s to try to catch them up enough to sit exams ... an impossibility in and of itself.

Parents have to support teachers and schools and focus on the gutting of them by the government. Their short term complaints and resulting fury is ignoring the real problems that teachers have been shouting about for years, and the mess is accelerating. There was plenty of alarm ... parents just didn't listen because they were still able to drop their children off at 8:30 and have them collected by someone at 3:30, so they didn't give a fuck.

EveSix · 18/06/2023 10:20

Savvy21, Belinda and Scrabblegirl, as a PP said:
"...it is not about the payrise but the funding of it. Schools need to be able to afford to pay their staff!

This is the problem. The government could award teachers a 20% rise, but unless they also give schools the increase in funding for budgets, schools are not going to be able to afford to pay their staff.

Teachers are not centrally paid from government funds. Schools are allocated their funds based on pupil numbers and have to manage budgets based on this amount: this includes teacher salaries.

Our salaries come out of our schools' budgets (the same budgets that also have to pay out for support staff, resources, school catering, utility bills, a portion of SEN provision, building maintenance etc), not from the local authority or central government. This is why teachers are insisting on a fully funded pay increase ‐an increase in school budgets to actually match whatever pay offer the government seeks to settle on.

annahay · 18/06/2023 10:20

@Dumbphone I wonder what resources private schools may have that understaffed state schools might not have?

JRHartleysmum · 18/06/2023 10:24

Many private school staff are striking due to their schools removing them from tps

jenandberrys · 18/06/2023 10:27

Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 10:11

My kids school was closed. As we’re the vast majority of the schools I worked with.

keyworker school was not providing an education

You have literally just said that your kids school wasn't closed, that you chose not to access the key worker provision. Do try and keep your story straight, you are looking a little bit foolish.

noblegiraffe · 18/06/2023 10:39

Slagging off teachers who are still in the job, still supporting the kids, still teaching them despite the absolute dumpster fire that is the state of education right now is a really fucking stupid approach.

What have they done? They've continued teaching when 40,000 teachers quit last year.

Keep slagging them off though, we'll soon have none left. 👍

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deeplybaffled · 18/06/2023 10:40

I have just emailed my MP and asked her to send a copy to Gillian Keegan.
thank you for the suggestion and contact details, @noblegiraffe

whataboutme77 · 18/06/2023 10:41

noblegiraffe · 18/06/2023 10:39

Slagging off teachers who are still in the job, still supporting the kids, still teaching them despite the absolute dumpster fire that is the state of education right now is a really fucking stupid approach.

What have they done? They've continued teaching when 40,000 teachers quit last year.

Keep slagging them off though, we'll soon have none left. 👍

Well said!!

whataboutme77 · 18/06/2023 10:54

@Buyyouflowers
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Thry need to stop bitching and get back to work like everyone else.
One of the jobs with the most time off and they will do anything for a few extra days off*

I wonder if the people who are irate on here understand the argument properly?

"They" need to accept that they have loads of holidays so shouldn't moan.
Yet the basic fact is that there are no longer enough of "them" prepared to do the job (which is clearly essential or you wouldn't be creating quite so much)

So, if you can't recruit, train and retain enough teachers then something needs to be done.
It's utterly irrelevant whether you think teachers SHOULD be grateful because they have long holidays. If people are not attracted to a job and the job needs doing then either you make it more attractive or you stop offering free education to every child 🤷🏽‍♀️

saraclara · 18/06/2023 11:16

@noblegiraffe if I write to my (useless and invisible to her constituents) MP and ask for the email to be forwarded to Gillian Keegan, is she obliged to do so and provide proof that she has?

She's way too busy fighting for her place in the HOL right now, and her office staff (her daughters?) seem to be equally useless, so I'd want to know that it's worth my time emailing.

annahay · 18/06/2023 11:29

saraclara · 18/06/2023 11:16

@noblegiraffe if I write to my (useless and invisible to her constituents) MP and ask for the email to be forwarded to Gillian Keegan, is she obliged to do so and provide proof that she has?

She's way too busy fighting for her place in the HOL right now, and her office staff (her daughters?) seem to be equally useless, so I'd want to know that it's worth my time emailing.

Whilst I don't know the answer re obligation to reply, it might be worth seeing if the unions have a template email you can send, which may take less time to put together.

noblegiraffe · 18/06/2023 11:31

I think the office staff would be happy to have an email that they can just send to someone else to deal with instead of having to respond themselves.

I've done it with two different MPs and got responses from the DfE each time, I guess it's worth a shot?

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Dumbphone · 18/06/2023 11:36

annahay · 18/06/2023 10:17

@Dumbphone you should read about action short of strike action. That's what's been tried. It means working to rule. It made no difference.

How about not engaging with d of e?

how about mass protests stirring up parent involvement?

how about anything else that doesn’t affect the children?