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Endlessdark · 2023-06-13T09:49:27+00:00

What are your thoughts of this? My heart breaks for the poor baby. There was so much time to do it earlier if she wanted to. ☹️ obviously don’t know her reasoning behind it so I’m interested to hear others thoughts! It’s said she claimed to only be 7 weeks pregnant and as it was during covid, she was sent abortion pills in the post. [[https://apple.news/AEftuMVmFQ2quaiDb-lN78Q https://apple.news/AEftuMVmFQ2quaiDb-lN78Q]] what do you think, is it right that she was prosecuted or do you think there needs to be a reform of this law?

jajajajaja · 13/06/2023 19:36

Branleuse · 13/06/2023 10:51

I think that it isnt comfortable, but its her body and noone should be jailed for an abortion.

Is it abortion at that late stage or is it infanticide? At what point is it infanticide?

TimeToMoveIt · 13/06/2023 19:39

RightWhereYouLeftMe · 13/06/2023 15:55

She denied "child destruction" which was the original charge. She pleaded guilty to section 58 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861, administering drugs or using instruments to procure abortion, which was accepted by the prosecution.

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She could have plead guilty at magistrates court when they deliberated on the new charge but she didn't

TimeToMoveIt · 13/06/2023 19:40

jajajajaja · 13/06/2023 19:36

Is it abortion at that late stage or is it infanticide? At what point is it infanticide?

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When the baby is born in the UK

RightWhereYouLeftMe · 13/06/2023 19:41

Is it abortion at that late stage or is it infanticide? At what point is it infanticide?

After birth.

clpsmum · 13/06/2023 19:43

TheNameIsDickDarlington · 13/06/2023 12:10

My heart breaks for the poor woman who had to go through such a late term abortion, whatever her reasons were it would not have been an easy thing to go through and now she is being taken away from her other children.

The law needs to be reformed, this woman isn't a danger to society and must have been in a desperate and difficult situation to take those pills so late in pregnancy. I don't understand how putting this woman in prison benefits society, it only hurts her and her existing children.

I disagree she is a huge danger to society. She murdered her full term baby her own child and then lied and tried to cover up her crime. Would you feel sorry for her if it was a baby of 34wks in a pram she murdered?

safetyfreak · 13/06/2023 19:44

I am pro abortion but what this woman did was vile. That poor baby.

She could have aborted 5 months earlier but chose not too.

mfbx5sf3 · 13/06/2023 19:44

There’s a reason abortions have a time limit. She intentionally killed her likely viable, nearly full term child and needs to be held accountable wether it’s made it’s way out of her or not:

Daffodilsandtuplips · 13/06/2023 19:58

The sentence is right, abortion is the wrong word for what she did. Murder is more appropriate.
She will have felt the baby kick, for ten weeks after the official cut off point of 24 weeks for a legal abortion yet she still did internet searches to seek out and procure the means to end the pregnancy.
I feel sorry for all of her children. ALL of them

Thoughtful2355 · 13/06/2023 19:58

Sorry but she may as well have born a baby and shoved pills down its throat to kill it. She basically murdered an actual baby, 34 weeks is a fully grown baby, I think once a baby has formed all of its body parts etc then it is a baby and abortion would be murder. She deserved getting prosecuted.

And yes I am pro abortion and would totally get one if I got pregnant and couldn't keep the baby.

BrutusMcDogface · 13/06/2023 19:59

TheNameIsDickDarlington · 13/06/2023 12:10

My heart breaks for the poor woman who had to go through such a late term abortion, whatever her reasons were it would not have been an easy thing to go through and now she is being taken away from her other children.

The law needs to be reformed, this woman isn't a danger to society and must have been in a desperate and difficult situation to take those pills so late in pregnancy. I don't understand how putting this woman in prison benefits society, it only hurts her and her existing children.

This was my first thought. What a terrible situation 😔

Etoile41 · 13/06/2023 20:01

Definitely agree that it was right that she was prosecuted. Absolutely horrendous act. At that late stage of pregnancy she could have given up her baby girl for adoption. Instead she choose to kill her.

jajajajaja · 13/06/2023 20:02

@RightWhereYouLeftMe @TimeToMoveIt so what is child destruction? Men have been convicted of killing an unborn child yes? If a woman intentionally kills her baby the day before she is due then what is that? Child destruction? I'm genuinely asking. I am pro life but I struggle with this situation as a baby is well into the viable stage and the woman would need to give birth anyway

RightWhereYouLeftMe · 13/06/2023 20:08

jajajajaja · 13/06/2023 20:02

@RightWhereYouLeftMe @TimeToMoveIt so what is child destruction? Men have been convicted of killing an unborn child yes? If a woman intentionally kills her baby the day before she is due then what is that? Child destruction? I'm genuinely asking. I am pro life but I struggle with this situation as a baby is well into the viable stage and the woman would need to give birth anyway

Child destruction can include what she did, and it was the original charge. I assume that because she pleaded not guilty to that, and guilty to the charge of offences against the person - administering drugs to procure an abortion, they just went with that one. I'm not sure how charges are decided, but child destruction can include a late term abortion.

AnyaMarx · 13/06/2023 20:17

I try and remains impartial - I've had a termination for medical reasons (baby had a chromosome disorder) and I've also been involved with infanticide investigations work wise .

But this was wrong in every level .

Even with late term abortion (after 24 weeks ) the baby is injected before induction to ensure they are not viable - it's harrowing and traumatic but humane

This feotus wasn't treated humanely .

Retrain12345 · 13/06/2023 20:20

She deserved a life sentence. 28months is a joke.

DiscoBeat · 13/06/2023 20:22

There’s a reason abortions have a time limit. She intentionally killed her likely viable, nearly full term child and needs to be held accountable
I agree.

cansu · 13/06/2023 20:29

Completely disagree with the sentence. She should not have received a custodial sentence. There is no public interest in doing so. She is not a threat to society and must have been in a desperate situation to risk something so dangerous. Her children are now being punished too. I am actually furious about it.

pickledandpuzzled · 13/06/2023 20:40

I can't imagine being
in lockdown,
in a house with an ex and 3 dc one with SEN,
Pregnant with a child by a different bloke.

Presumably when she was researching her options earlier in the pregnancy she hadn't decided what to do. Then there was lockdown and too late. She tried to conceal it till lockdown was over.
Lockdown didn't lift and she's stuck.

This is not something I'd ever do. However I can imagine her desperation.

I can't believe taking the pills was a choice made rationally. She couldn't have expected to conceal a labour at that stage any better than for a live birth.

And the answers she gave to investigators after a traumatic birth experience- well I can imagine she was panicked and horrified.

Of course she could just be a nasty piece of work. But she might not be.

TimeToMoveIt · 13/06/2023 20:46

cansu · 13/06/2023 20:29

Completely disagree with the sentence. She should not have received a custodial sentence. There is no public interest in doing so. She is not a threat to society and must have been in a desperate situation to risk something so dangerous. Her children are now being punished too. I am actually furious about it.

Maybe she should have thought about her children and entered a guilty plea earlier then

TimeToMoveIt · 13/06/2023 20:47

pickledandpuzzled · 13/06/2023 20:40

I can't imagine being
in lockdown,
in a house with an ex and 3 dc one with SEN,
Pregnant with a child by a different bloke.

Presumably when she was researching her options earlier in the pregnancy she hadn't decided what to do. Then there was lockdown and too late. She tried to conceal it till lockdown was over.
Lockdown didn't lift and she's stuck.

This is not something I'd ever do. However I can imagine her desperation.

I can't believe taking the pills was a choice made rationally. She couldn't have expected to conceal a labour at that stage any better than for a live birth.

And the answers she gave to investigators after a traumatic birth experience- well I can imagine she was panicked and horrified.

Of course she could just be a nasty piece of work. But she might not be.

She was too far gone before lockdown so I don't think that's the reason

Whatelsecouldibecalled · 13/06/2023 20:49

I am 100% pro choice but sadly I feel so strongly that this isn't in pro choice territory
When leaving an abortion so late like this it isn't abortion really. Heartbreaking

xyz111 · 13/06/2023 20:55

cansu · 13/06/2023 20:29

Completely disagree with the sentence. She should not have received a custodial sentence. There is no public interest in doing so. She is not a threat to society and must have been in a desperate situation to risk something so dangerous. Her children are now being punished too. I am actually furious about it.

But then if she doesn't get punished for it, surely it just leads the way for more of these incidents to happen?

AllOfThemWitches · 13/06/2023 20:56

obviously don’t know her reasoning behind it

No, you don't.

pickledandpuzzled · 13/06/2023 20:58

@TimeToMoveIt but before lockdown she wasn't living with her ex, and could perhaps have kept the baby.

I mean, it's a hard situation under any circumstances. Lockdown will have made it so much more complicated.

Newnamenewname109870 · 13/06/2023 20:58

cansu · 13/06/2023 20:29

Completely disagree with the sentence. She should not have received a custodial sentence. There is no public interest in doing so. She is not a threat to society and must have been in a desperate situation to risk something so dangerous. Her children are now being punished too. I am actually furious about it.

And do you also feel Alfie steeles mum is innocent despite her partner killing him? This baby was a full term healthy live baby who was murdered.