Mum sentenced to 28 months in prison for abortion pills

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Used after the cut off point of 10 weeks.

Regardless of how far gone she was, surely this isn't right?

It is her body, despite me morally really thinking what she did was very wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/12/woman-in-uk-jailed-for-28-months-over-taking-abortion-pills-after-legal-time-limit?CMP=twtgu&utmmsource=Twitter&utmmedium=&s=08#Echobox=1686577294

If a women smokes and drinks late pregnancy should she go ro prison tho? especially if her baby is stillborn? How about the babies born with a heroin addiction. Should there mum go to prison?

Fantastic way to put it!!

Not just not prosecuted, no one could legally stop her. Although I'm sure some of the people posting here would be keen to imprison women for that sort of thing if they could.

She could have had the baby and given it for adoption. A night in hospital instead of two years in prison.

If it achieved just one other woman doing the same it is worth it. This woman could have gone to her GP and asked for an abortion. There is just no excuse for her behaviour..

I agree the baby could have been put up for adoption. I'm all for abortion rights but this is just so sad, babies can be and are born at that stage and are perfectly healthy.

I read this morning the baby was another man's and she had moved back in with her partner or something along those lines.

How can an abortion at 32 weeks be ok but killing a baby who was born alive at 32 weeks be murder?

I think this is true. I would say most women would agree up to 16 weeks for any reason, then up to 24 weeks if severe abnormalities and doctor signs it off, after 25 weeks it would survive if born then if Mum does not want to keep baby she should give birth and hand it over for adoption.

Straw man.

Those women are not intentionally wanting to end the life of their foetus.

The woman in this case was. And did.

Exactly this. Mental Health can be used to excuse any number of crimes. The more we learn about the psych the more we can easily attribute it's contribution to crimes and motives. I genuinely do not know the answer. I have PMDD and I know I am not in control of my thoughts during my flare ups. I love life, but my mind is telling me to kill myself. Its rough out there people, I wish I had the answers to these questions. Who do we choose to excuse on the basis of their past trauma/mental health and who do we hold liable for their actions? It's alot to think about.

The uk already has some of the most relaxed abortion laws in the world. I'd very much caution against trying to get them changed as it could move in either direction.

The 'abortion should be available throughout pregnancy' idea is in place in very few countries in the world. Australia and China are the only ones I've come across where it is actually a 'thing'. There are a handful of other countries where abortion is notionally unrestricted (Canada and Vietnam for example) but in reality no healthcare provider offers abortions over a limit (24w in canada, 18w in Vietnam).

There are other countries where it is unrestricted but you have to jump through a lot of hoops - like go before a committee for approval.

Many countries are 12 weeks, some a bit later, and a few 20-24.

Give the baby to the dad to bring up. She names the dad, dna test and he can parent his child. Make that a law. It would increase condom use for sure.

Yes she should go to prison and while she is there she should be sterilised.

Its not about antagonising the court, there are sentancing guidelines and because she pleaded guilty quite late he was unable to take off as much from the sentance as he would have been able to if she had pleaded guilty earlier

As her sentence was still over 2 years because of that they were unable to give a suspended sentence

Love the juxtaposition of this comment, and your username

How many violent men who have beaten their pregnant girlfriends so bad that she lost the baby are doing time for it?

More than women bringing about their own late abortions. Many are only prosecuted for the assault on the mum, as cold destruction is quite difficult to prove, but in reality, sentence will reflect the reasons for the assault and likely be elevated as a result.

But there are men in prison for the offence of chuld destruction. Asa Davison, who was given a life sentence for it, Nicholas Leaning, serving a sentence of 10 years for attempted child destruction and assault.

It does happen, perhaps not enough. You've got to price the baby was 28w+ gestation and intention to kill. So mum being beaten up and the baby dies isn't enough...

The victim of the oftener is the baby, not the mum. The offence reflects the seriousness of deliberate killing of a child of that gestation. If the offence is used more widely, then that would apply to women as much as men (it was the original offence this woman was prosecuted for).

Solomamababy you are comparing murdering an actual living breathing child as opposed to taking some pills. I do not understand for a second how you can relate the two things.

Once a child is born they are a person in their own right. Until then they are just an extension of the mother and the mother should be able do to her own body whatever she pleases or where does it stop? Are we going to start arresting pregnant women that are having a few glasses of prosseco!

I seriously cannot believe that number of people that think it is right this woman has gone to jail.

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Why though? Why do you think the US position - which was based on judicial interpretation of a written constitution- is comparable to a statutory settlement which has endured for almost 60 years?
do people genuinely not understand the difference between case law and statute? Is this the problem?

What do you think the punishment should be? I personally think the decision was the right one.

And I would argue that child destruction at the hands of the man is also not comparable. That is the harm to somebody else. That is the fundamental difference. We can do what we like to ourselves. We cannot do it to someone else! Not to mention that beating somebody up is slightly different to taking a pill.

I don't think she should be punished. I think she should have councelling. I think the NHS is in the wrong for supplying her with the drugs without assessing her in person.

It was during Covid that she got the medicine over the phone illegally and not from the NHS, from BPAS

Solomamababy you are comparing murdering an actual living breathing child as opposed to taking some pills. I do not understand for a second how you can relate the two things.

How can you not relate these two things? at 32 weeks (or 34) the foetus is viable. Meaning this is the body of another person. It is a baby. Has a brain, fully developed nervous system. She is not simply a body “extension” like my toe. So you are saying if the baby was born premature and then killed than it is murder, but simply remaining inside she can be killed at this stage, with no percussions? So the difference is being wanted and unwanted. If unwanted, she can be killed, up until 40 weeks. no problem. If wanted, then someone stabbed the mother’s belly, that’s is murder. Is this not discriminatory to the baby?

I can’t believe how people are minimising the scale of what happened. Taking some pills. Fgs...