Thread 8 - TalkLair: “Brewing Russell's teapot”

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of previous threads (thread 7).

The new lair of JTT escapees is all cosy and homey; we have truly settled here. Outside, the garden is blooming with spring flowers. Inside, the hearth is glowing, pictures are up on the walls, rugs are down on the floors (and assorted pets curled up on them).

We just won’t mention the gnawed bones of our prey over there in the corner of the cave…

Good luck, Mouse, both with the talk and the date!

Good luck, Mouse!

Good luck, Mouse!

My husband pointed this out to me this morning (he is a regular JTT reader):

Whoops posted too soon!

JtTAdmins - 4 months ago (#13466_ of 5658)
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It was posted on this thread ….

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Can I ask for the expertise of the thread? What do we think of these stories that you sometimes hear of women giving birth who "didn't know these they were pregnant"? Is it really feasible, or is it just some pie-in-the-sky people get told? I seems very hard to credit to me (although I can imagine that some women don't get morning sickness, for example). I ask because I was told yesterday this had happened. I know the girl in question, she is only young, 23-24 maybe. Already has a toddler as well.

It is certainly possible to get a long way through pregnancy without knowing - especially in women of an age to put weight gain and atypical/absent menstrual cycles down to menopause. I think in the majority of cases that get all the way to birth it involves a degree of denial/disassociation but I wouldn't entirely rule out the possibility - some people are surpringly out of touch with their own bodies.

It happens so it must be possible. I agree with Bent, I think that sometimes it must be a bit "la, la, la, I'm not listening to my silly body." But I have read stories where women genuinely had no idea. I find it hard to believe that they didn't notice the baby kicking but the relationship between the mind and the body can be a strange and wonderous thing, so I have to believe that it really is possible.

@Britinme any updates on how it's going? My guess is that there aren't enough GCs and too many on TRSOH to make a real dent in the denial.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 18:25

Back home after our tour of the 5 nations. The last but one hotel we stayed in was exceptionally dog friendly - they even got their own menu.

I've just seen this one, in our local rag:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/whats-on/travel-tourism/northumberland-pub-named-one-best-27334357

A friend of mine certainly didn't know she was pregnant until she was six months on. I'm assuming she must have had PCOS or something similar, as she almost never had periods and had been told by her gynaecologist that she was unlikely ever to be pregnant. She was in her mid-twenties, not in a relationship, and didn't care at that point.

She and I were teaching at the same school, and she decided to go on VSO in Asia. Just before she left, she had a very brief fling with a man who had been told by his doctor he was sub-fertile so no contraceptives were used. While in Asia, she kept being sick, which she attributed to unhealthy water, and she was losing weight and still fit into her jeans. No periods, but she rarely had one anyway. After six months she was getting terrible 'wind' as well as still being sick, so she finally went to the doctor, who told her she was six months pregnant. She flew home intending to put the baby up for adoption and return to her VSO. I saw her after she returned and said perhaps she should consider that this might be the only baby she would ever have, and that actually made her change her mind and keep the baby and raise her. Baby is now about 47, and has a child of her own.

@MouseMinge - I haven't been in to look at the threads, and my husband doesn't follow those particular threads, but he knows I'm interested in the topic and why we all left there, so he updated me on what was happening. I don't think I can keep up with that as well as the stuff I like here and the stuff I have to do anyway for the QI talk forums.

I'm a bit late to the party but best of luck to @MouseMinge for your talk and your date!

Oh yes, I’ve known several -

A 15-year old girl in my sister’s class at school whose Mum drove her to A&E with suspected appendicitis only to be told she was in labour;

A staff nurse I worked with who was as slim as a pin and hadn’t had a period for 6 months which she put down to her new thyroid medication - I swear the day after she found out she went from slim-waisted belt-wearing to enormous pregnant-bellied OVERNIGHT, like her new-found knowledge had allowed her body to expand (OK she didn’t quite get to delivery before finding out, but probably could have);

A 40-year old couple who’d just adopted 3 siblings under the age of 5 after years of infertility treatments, where the woman just assumed she was menopausal and didn’t know a thing until she went into labour (and she was a health visitor!).

And a surprise birth story almost every week in Take a Break magazine when I used to read it in the 1980s. I always thought it would be a great way to have a baby, none of the worrying beforehand, a fait accompli.

…a MIDWIFE and health visitor!

Thanks, guys. Some amazing stories! Must admit, I thought, surely, you'd feel the kicking!

I was particularly fascinated by the adopter-of-3-little-kids, as I’d read about the act of mothering (parenting) increasing women’s fertility. A cousin of mine had spent years and a literal fortune on fertility treatments and finally had a baby boy; 18 months later she was pregnant again naturally.

I thought I'd posted here but clearly didn't press send. Anyway, thanks all. I'm not nervous about the talk yet but I'm sure I'll feel sick momentarily before I start because that's my MO and then I'll be fine. Wearing corsets causing ugly babies will probably raise a laugh if nothing else.

The date seems more mental the closer it gets. We met on the street, for heaven's sake! Anyway, it will be a nice little distraction if nothing else and short and sweet because I have to get to Shoreham to be ready for the evening ahead. It's a lovely day here so I think we shall sit, somewhat awkwardly, outside in a pub garden!

Just found this new thread and it's bloody brilliant news. Screw you, Dan Wootton!

Dan Wootton is a bad man. Who didn't know!

Blimey, there's some grim stuff coming out the woodwork these days.

@MouseMinge - I met my husband at a GUT meet-up outside a pub in Windsor

We've got/had one of those under-cupboard strip lights in the kitchen, which is handy as the work top area is quite gloomy. It came with a remote, but I always switched it on and off at the wall, as remotes are fiddly and annoy me. This morning I went to switch it on and the plug exploded. Thankfully I wasn't hurt, but there was a loud bang which made me shriek. There are scorch marks in the plug and I'm wondering what happened to cause them. We put it up in 2016, so not that long ago.

Ooh, scary!

That's weird, cos surely a strip-light is not drawing big current? I had something similar not long back with my old boiler, but that's 3 kW, so not so surprising. I'd suggest checking the mains power point too. Glad you're OK.

I am not an electrician.

It shouldn't have been drawing much current at all, I'd think. It was one of those stick-on strips and only about 1.5m long, if that. Everything else seems fine, though some of the sockets tripped out at the time. It didn't half make me jump, I can tell you. Not what you want at 6.30 in the morning.