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Do I chat to son's gf about this?

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IntoDeepBlueSea · 03/06/2023 01:26

I've put in a ton of detail, if anyone can be bothered, but first the thing that I'm asking about:

My DS is nearly 18, v mature for his years, has a lovely gf who was a good friend for a year, and now gf for more than 6 months. She's about 4 months younger than ds, but also 17.

They're both hard working (uni and jobs) and I'm impressed by how they have handled the couple of problems/ arguments they've had.

She was at a church young adults evening last week (she often goes). DS texted to see how her day had gone. She said she was wiped out, but at least another hour before her ride could take her home. Not far away, DS offered to pick her up and drop her home. She was very grateful. DS was back home in half an hour, by 10pm.

Apparently her dad was angry when she got home, about DS giving her a lift home and gave her the silent treatment for at least 3 days. Still not clear whether it was:
1 - she asked ds, not her dad
2 - that she left church thing early
3 - being out with her boyfriend when dad didn't know she was (for all of 10 minutes).

When she asked what was wrong, he said, (I kid you not) "you should know, and if you don't, that's part of the problem".

WTAF

I want to just quietly say to GF that if she needs anything, I'm here?

If it was any other woman, I'd just say it. I'm good at compartmentalising, and would not really see this as connected to DS, but of course it is.

TL:DR
I know her parents were talking about separating last year, but that didn't happen in the end, but clearly her mum and brother have to deal with this too.

Plenty of other examples, but this was directly about my ds, and I'd just been thinking how sweet it was that he had done that.

GF is already in her 2nd year at uni, despite her young age (DS in 1st year) works hard at that, has a job too, and is required to attend at least 2 church occasions a week. At least Sunday service and bible study during the week. And up to her if she wants to go to young adults evening too. that's actually something she enjoys as lots of old school friends there, and it's really a social club type thing.

DS commented early on that she always wanted to do something he suggests, and finds it very hard to say what she wants out loud. He told me because he was confused. Not used to women not having an opinion!

The other day, I was making dinner, and because she had brought over a cake she had decorated for their six months (!) I cooked with them in mind, and asked whether she liked my plan for dinner, and if there's anything she doesn't like. She kept looking to DS but eventually said it sounded great. I then mentioned I was going to include mushrooms, was that OK. She said yes. DS looked baffled and said "but you don't like mushrooms!". She agreed she didn't. To be clear, normally they just get a plate of something, or they cook for all of us. She usually has to be home by 8pm.

This is just background, but I suppose I'm worried about what she deals with on a daily basis. It's up to her and DS to deal with her constant acquiescence.

DS has said she really likes me, and cares what I think, which is great, I suspect she just hasn't seen a mum who treats her child as a young adult, and laughs, and isn't regimented. She knows however, that I'm in no way a "cool mum" and have a few non negotiable rules, expectations I suppose.

So far, the parents have always thought ds was a good thing. He spends time there (in the living room, as a family), and I can't see what he/ they did wrong?

OP posts:
KittytheHare · 03/06/2023 01:36

You sound hugely over invested in the relationship. I think you need to step back completely.

jannier · 03/06/2023 01:36

Sounds like she has very controlling parents.....I'd imagine as she has to be in at 8 and your son brought her back later her father thinks they were out on a date.

Allmyghosts · 03/06/2023 01:45

KittytheHare · 03/06/2023 01:36

You sound hugely over invested in the relationship. I think you need to step back completely.

Agree. Her family also too invested. Think I would have taken up a crack habit if my mother was this invested when I was 17.

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Sarahtm35 · 03/06/2023 02:02

It sounds like her father is still trying to keep some control of his daughter, which is of no surprise considering the church/religious thing.
having a daughter is different to having a son.
my daughter is 17 and when she has her first more serious boyfriend I will probably keep a close eye on things too, however I know friends with sons who are a little more relaxed as their sons can’t come home pregnant and it’s just an overall different situation.
people are saying you are too invested and so are her parents, but you spend 17 years raising someone the last thing you want to happen is for some boy to come along and ruin things. I WISH my parents were MORE invested in me at 17 because I might not have become pregnant and give birth at 18.
mum not saying your son is of any harm to his girlfriend, but rightly or wrongly maybe Her father just doesn’t fully trust him yet.

IntoDeepBlueSea · 03/06/2023 05:18

Let me see if I can address the main points made -

I've seen stuff. I've thought stuff. I haven't said anything. I've erred (sp?) on the side of not discussing anything, even when ds mentioned her "agreeing with everything" , I acknowledged his concern, said it's probably how she was raised.

I left home and moved away at DS age and didn't ever discuss anything with my mum. I'm not going to l say, don't tell me about your gf and her problems. I'm not going to say "stop talking to me about things that are important to you".

Her father knew that she was at church thing. He knew that she was tired and ds just came to drop her off.

I must've given the wrong emphasis. As far as my conscious effort, it's to raise kids who are as self reliant as possible. He organises his whole life himself, at my encouragement. Car, job, uni, etc etc, he had organised them all himself, just running things past us once he's more or less made a decision. I don't know any other 17 year old in our world who has been so independent.

The fact that he notices, and wants an opinion on something to do with family dynamics/ having a bad effect on his girlfriend? I'm happy to answer him.

I'm separately concerned that there is a young woman who has a bullying and controlling parent.

I'm not sure I can win. If I had a girl I'd be allowed to be angry that she got a safe lift home which I didn't know about in advance, but if I've a son, I'm too over invested?

OP posts:
Adelaide66 · 03/06/2023 05:31

Every family is different. We have to respect that fact.

EllandRd · 03/06/2023 05:48

How is she in her 2nd year at Uni when she is only 17?

determinedtomakethiswork · 03/06/2023 05:53

She has to be at 8 o'clock when she is 17?

HelpMeGetThrough · 03/06/2023 06:10

GF is already in her 2nd year at uni, despite her young age

Really?

Lampan · 03/06/2023 06:11

The mushroom thing is meaningless. I’ve done similar with a food I really don’t like - sometimes it is just easier and more polite (as a perfectly assertive and confident adult) to accept and have some.

WandaWonder · 03/06/2023 06:15

IntoDeepBlueSea · 03/06/2023 05:18

Let me see if I can address the main points made -

I've seen stuff. I've thought stuff. I haven't said anything. I've erred (sp?) on the side of not discussing anything, even when ds mentioned her "agreeing with everything" , I acknowledged his concern, said it's probably how she was raised.

I left home and moved away at DS age and didn't ever discuss anything with my mum. I'm not going to l say, don't tell me about your gf and her problems. I'm not going to say "stop talking to me about things that are important to you".

Her father knew that she was at church thing. He knew that she was tired and ds just came to drop her off.

I must've given the wrong emphasis. As far as my conscious effort, it's to raise kids who are as self reliant as possible. He organises his whole life himself, at my encouragement. Car, job, uni, etc etc, he had organised them all himself, just running things past us once he's more or less made a decision. I don't know any other 17 year old in our world who has been so independent.

The fact that he notices, and wants an opinion on something to do with family dynamics/ having a bad effect on his girlfriend? I'm happy to answer him.

I'm separately concerned that there is a young woman who has a bullying and controlling parent.

I'm not sure I can win. If I had a girl I'd be allowed to be angry that she got a safe lift home which I didn't know about in advance, but if I've a son, I'm too over invested?

She is not your daughter, you can be there for her ans that is it, you can be concerned but it feels you are equally involved in her as much as her parents

No I would not call you controlling in the normal sense but you seem to want to control the uncontrollable, she needs to navigate this herself

Ilikewinter · 03/06/2023 06:22

I dont think you should say anything. I imagine shes already aware of the strictness of her father and that she just tows the line. Carry on supporting yiur son when he asks and build a lovely relationship with his GF, she might open upto you if the shit hits the fan.

Emilia35 · 03/06/2023 06:25

What country are you in? These kids can't be at uni if they're only 17.

ImustLearn2Cook · 03/06/2023 06:27

Just be a positive influence. As she gets to know you more and more she might open up about stuff.

If she is brought up with fundamentalist Christianity she will have been taught that man is head of the household. And women have to obey. Wives are to submit to their husbands.

Despite what you may think about that, it will be entirely up to her if and when she chooses to break away from that. Or she might want to continue to embrace it. She is at that age and stage of development where she will start to separate from her parents values and beliefs, figure out who she is and shape her own values and beliefs.

That is her journey and no one else can do it for her. Just be a person she can trust and feel comfortable with.

IntoDeepBlueSea · 03/06/2023 06:27

@Ilikewinter - thank you. I appreciate your post.

Yes, she's in year 2. Our year starts in January, and she came from another country and was assessed to go into a grade above at school. Between changing grades, and changing when the school year begins, and when he birthday is, this is where she ended up.

My son is a year ahead.

It's not the weirdest thing in the world. They're both good students, and had slightly unusual paths into education.

If she's at ours for dinner, she has to be home at 8pm.

If she's at church youth thing, she can be home at 10.30pm.

OP posts:
TenThousandSpoons · 03/06/2023 06:29

You don’t sound controlling to me. You sound like a lovely mum and I too would be a bit worried about the gf. It’s lucky she has got together with your ds and not a bully like her dad. I wouldn’t say anything yet though, just continue to be a kind presence and supportive adult in her life.

IntoDeepBlueSea · 03/06/2023 06:31

@ImustLearn2Cook - thank you, yes, that all sounds very sensible. I do not have any issue with her religious upbringing, just that she is miserable at home. I think in this instance it is being used as an implement of control. I'll just carry on being welcoming when she comes over.

What is this obsession with when people go to university. Anyone can go to university earlier if they meet the criteria.

OP posts:
IntoDeepBlueSea · 03/06/2023 06:36

Thanks @TenThousandSpoons - I realise my own experiences make me very twitchy about dv, and generally, once you have the spidey senses it's very difficult to turn them off. I'll just wait.

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TriedTurningItOff · 03/06/2023 06:46

Please ignore the seemingly obligatory first few responses to any OP on any MN thread, always knocking the OP, usually jeering and mean.

You sound a lovely mum and I totally get your concerns.

CobraChicken · 03/06/2023 06:48

Emilia35 · 03/06/2023 06:25

What country are you in? These kids can't be at uni if they're only 17.

My DS1 was in university for 3 months before he turned 18. That's in Canada, without skipping any grades, if you're interested...

autienotnaughtym · 03/06/2023 06:50

I would ask your son if she is ok. Then say if she needs any help/support you are happy to be there.

GoodChat · 03/06/2023 07:04

I disagree with the people saying you're over invested. It sounds like you have a lovely relationship with DS.

It sounds like her father is incredibly overbearing and thought she was with DS and using church group as an excuse to be out late.

I'd let DS know she can talk to you if she wants to. It sounds like she wouldn't be confident enough for you to have that conversation directly. Just be careful not to get too involved as the family will blame you/DS when she starts to rebel.

Mrsmillshorse · 03/06/2023 07:10

Gf has her own path to tread. She's not your daughter. It's nice she is welcome at your house and has the support of your son. That's as far as it goes. Anything else and you're going to be part of the problems she is clearly navigating.

She will grow up and sort her own life out eventually. Like you did I guess?

It's just not your business.

OzziePopPop · 03/06/2023 07:12

Are you in the US? What state? It makes a massive difference culturally or I wouldn’t ask 😀

SeasonFinale · 03/06/2023 07:23

Maybe if she usually has to be home by 8 (despite being at uni) and 10.30 from church her dad was cross that she changed her plans, did not come home with the person she was supposed to and cross that she had arranged a separate lift from DS which meant that they had perhaps been on their own together without his knowledge bearing in mind they are always chaperoned at their house. I am not saying they should be but with parents as strict as hers seem I can see why they were upset that she had changed plans without them knowing plus DS had been involved on a night they weren't expecting her to have contact with him.

I am not saying this is fine but that's how it may appear to such strict parents.

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