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There we go Schofield has admitted ‘affair’

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muppetmayhem · 26/05/2023 18:34

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RhinoMoveFast · 27/05/2023 07:53

Sianthomasisnothererightnow · 27/05/2023 07:41

Grooming isn’t obvious to other people when it’s happening. Groomers will groom parents, authorities and children.

It’s easy to condemn afterwards because it’s easy to see then, but in the midst of it it isn’t. Groomers are smart people. They know how to influence everyone around them to think they’re good people doing decent things. It’s not okay to blame parents, they often are victims.

I understand people are groomed, thing is if they are inept at work through fear or oblivion then they can't safeguard their own children and should have a SS assessment no matter who they are to see if they can now safeguard the vulnerable not the charismatic next time.

Even when it comes to safeguarding after the fact, those who created a climate that made it difficult, for example name calling intimidating etc to protect the institutional reputation or a group's reputation (always a safeguarding fail in serious case reviews) are not investigated in their private life and they should be in my opinion.

Those who went on holidays with their children and convicted predators should be investigated. A the child of a teacher or millionaire should be as entitled to any other children to have that parent investigated as a safeguarding risk, there should be no sacred caste.

RhinoMoveFast · 27/05/2023 07:58

I wonder also if the likes of Emma Bunton who has boys will be supportive of someone who took a boy on holiday with predators and if she sees risky people for who they are?

CaveMum · 27/05/2023 08:00

Saw this when I opened Twitter this morning, before the feed had a chance to refresh…,

There we go Schofield has admitted ‘affair’
AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/05/2023 08:01

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savory · 27/05/2023 08:01

And always the elephant in the room the King's brother Prince Andrew being slowly rehabilitated who had a long and enduring relationship with a convicted sex trafficking paedophile including after he was convicted. Some folks are truly above the law.

Butteredtoast55 · 27/05/2023 08:04

I thought the PP who commented earlier that if it's a girl or woman this happens to, no-one makes such a fuss was calling that out, not using it as an excuse.
Suggesting that it's homophobia because it's a man and a younger man (actually a teenager) is completely missing the point. It also infuriates me because I'm of an age when a man coming out as gay automatically translated to him being seen as a potential predator towards children.
Phillip Schofield's self-serving deceit has just confirmed what many unenlightened idiots believe - that gay men are groomers and not to be trusted.

KatyKopykat · 27/05/2023 08:05

savory · 27/05/2023 07:49

One is Lord of the Rings pardon the pun !

Oh no I hope it's not who I think you're saying it is.

Quirrelsotherface · 27/05/2023 08:05

Oh and people should stop seeing Schofield's wife as a victim. Allegedly she has always known he's gay

RoseAndRose · 27/05/2023 08:06

savory · 27/05/2023 08:01

And always the elephant in the room the King's brother Prince Andrew being slowly rehabilitated who had a long and enduring relationship with a convicted sex trafficking paedophile including after he was convicted. Some folks are truly above the law.

I don't think the actions of Scofield's friends -irrespective of length of relationship - are what's key with this outcry.

It's about the possible grooming of a 10 year old (and dark hints of more to follow)

Not what may or may not have happened with a 17yo at a party

RedToothBrush · 27/05/2023 08:06

After the Saville stuff TV executives should have been on the lookout for things like this. Then there's been Weinstein. So TV personalities and executives should be aware that they have power over young people which should not be abused.

For years it's been the understanding that in order to get into film, television or music you had to be willing to sleep with someone to get in. It is the very reason I didn't go into the industry. We had a lecture at uni where my class was asked if we would be prepared to sleep with someone to advance our careers. Out of 30, 3 said no. I knew it wasn't for me. I'd already been warned this by a friend who was very involved in the music industry at one point too.

The point is there has supposed to be a clean up of the industry since then. TV executives turning a blind eye or even taking Schofield's word at face value is a bad look for the channel. It's very much not about his personal life. It's about abusing his position to exploit vulnerable younger colleagues. The culture of intimidation and silencing of other colleagues who objected and had concerns with some losing their jobs as a result is part of the pattern of abuse of power.

Eammon Holmes is right to point this out.

The Weinstein scandal began to be under covered in 2017. The orchestrated Schofield coming out was 2019. By this point everyone knew about what was going on. It was all over MN. And that's why there were objections because of the very obvious parallels. But ITV executives still did it and effectively protected Schofield. That was grossly unwise. It demonstrates they didn't properly investigate. They just took Schofield at his word and ignored all the whistleblowers. That's a MASSIVE safeguarding fail.

All the executives involved should be looked into and questions asked.

If it was decades ago this happened or the cover up was pre Weinstein there might be different arguments. That wouldnt mean what Schofield had done was any less bad - what it means is that there are massive duty of care questions and executives have failed to uphold safeguarding younger crew members instead placing the power of the celebrity above their well being.

Schofield could help a kid he'd known since he was 10 get into the industry. That's nepotism and not great but it's not exploitation. The second he embarked on a relationship the balance of power in the relationship is massively off. Schofield knew this. It's not ok.

And there are still questions about when the relationship became sexual. A man saying it was always legal whilst simultaneously saying he's lied and covered up, isn't your best character witness. Especially when he was cheating on his wife to do it. I'm fairly sure others will eventually come out to say they had affairs with Schofield during his marriage too (which makes the whole brave and stunning routine look dreadful - even if he's gay he shouldn't have cheated on his wife). They may be adults but it still won't help Schofield's case.

The whole 'coming out' media parade now looks icky and tarnished. That's an incredibly bad look for the TV executives.

It's not a small story. It's not just about Schofield. It's about how TV executives make their own careers and get viewing figures based on sucking up to certain personalities and protecting them when they should be properly investigated and held accountable for their actions. I've no doubt that lawyers were probably involved at the start because Schofield had big pockets and threatened to ruin the careers of the executives if they did their job properly and investigated properly. And THAT is where similarities with Saville come in (not because TV executives are nonces). It's about intimidation and threats. And again that needs to be looked at in terms of Schofield's behaviour and professionalism. Was he also abusing his position by doing this with OTHER members of staff?

We DO have a number of high profile individuals talking about how he bullied others on set to get his way.

So don't think this is about two consenting adults who are victims of a gay witch-hunt. It absolutely has nothing to do with that.

And sadly it's true that a woman exploited in a similar way probably wouldn't be taken as seriously - but that doesn't diminish the actions of Schofield or the Executives either. It just shows that safeguarding is taken even less seriously when it comes to junior women staffers.

LetterForLettis · 27/05/2023 08:06

It’s not okay to blame parents, they often are victims.

Many parents are dazzled by celebrity culture and are over invested in their kids 'making it' in showbiz, their guards are lowered as they're grateful for any attention and special opportunities their kid gets. Also, if you've made it to ITV or one of their production companies as a producer, editor, sound person, enjoying your job, the perks and comfortably paying your dc's school fees, will you risk all this to safeguard a young person from influential men like PS? As we cans, most people don't do the right thing.

Sianthomasisnothererightnow · 27/05/2023 08:07

RhinoMoveFast · 27/05/2023 07:53

I understand people are groomed, thing is if they are inept at work through fear or oblivion then they can't safeguard their own children and should have a SS assessment no matter who they are to see if they can now safeguard the vulnerable not the charismatic next time.

Even when it comes to safeguarding after the fact, those who created a climate that made it difficult, for example name calling intimidating etc to protect the institutional reputation or a group's reputation (always a safeguarding fail in serious case reviews) are not investigated in their private life and they should be in my opinion.

Those who went on holidays with their children and convicted predators should be investigated. A the child of a teacher or millionaire should be as entitled to any other children to have that parent investigated as a safeguarding risk, there should be no sacred caste.

I don’t understand; you’re saying that if someone didn’t realise someone at their workplace was a paedophile because they have been groomed then they should be investigated by social because they can’t be trusted to look after their own children?

Sianthomasisnothererightnow · 27/05/2023 08:09

LetterForLettis · 27/05/2023 08:06

It’s not okay to blame parents, they often are victims.

Many parents are dazzled by celebrity culture and are over invested in their kids 'making it' in showbiz, their guards are lowered as they're grateful for any attention and special opportunities their kid gets. Also, if you've made it to ITV or one of their production companies as a producer, editor, sound person, enjoying your job, the perks and comfortably paying your dc's school fees, will you risk all this to safeguard a young person from influential men like PS? As we cans, most people don't do the right thing.

My comments weren’t made thinking about celebrities at all, but in the all too common scenarios where children are abused by family friends or new partners etc. I have experience in my family of this. A ‘trusted family friend’ who groomed relatives to access a child. No dazzlement or fake chasing, but grooming that happens often to decent people.

RhinoMoveFast · 27/05/2023 08:11

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I would like to know what pressure was put on Ruth and Eamonn then, were they fearful of losing their job or being called phobes and if so why?

SamW98 · 27/05/2023 08:14

@RedToothBrush - absolutely 💯 agree with every word.

Plbrookes · 27/05/2023 08:16

savory · 27/05/2023 08:01

And always the elephant in the room the King's brother Prince Andrew being slowly rehabilitated who had a long and enduring relationship with a convicted sex trafficking paedophile including after he was convicted. Some folks are truly above the law.

What law was broken?

Bananarepublic · 27/05/2023 08:19

QueefQueen80s · 26/05/2023 19:24

The age difference is grim. Bet he thought he was making up for lost time as he came out late.

What?

You think it's likely he waited until 52 to have his first affair? I've got a bridge you might want to buy...

But even if you believe this extremely unlikely scenario, you think it's an excuse for his behaviour? Would you think it was okay if it was a 52 year old woman and a young boy? Men always get free passes for this stuff but it's absolutely gross.

Mind you he's always given me the creeps. Couldn't understand the fawning over him for so many years. Similar to the vibes I had over JS. I had to turn off the TV for all the 'we buy any car' ads (I don't watch TM but have seen a few clips over the years).

Mainlinethehappy · 27/05/2023 08:20

lemonaddde · 27/05/2023 06:52

The issue for me is that this 'younger male colleague' was influenced by Phil from being a child. Phil obviously took an interest in this child from a young age, was a patron of his theatre group, used his power to get him a job on a huge TV show. Then what? They suddenly out of nowhere embarked on an 'unwise but not illegal affair'.

It stinks of grooming and predatory behaviour and that is the issue. Nothing to do with being gay.

If it was a 61 year old bloke and a teenage girl. A 61 year old woman and a teenage boy. A 61 year old woman and a teenage girl. All wrong.

A responsible and genuine adult would keep their distance from a young person they had been involved with from childhood.

This has just changed my mind. It is the fact that Schofield knew this boy as a child, then demonstrated partiality in supporting the boy’s endeavours… then embarked on a relationship with the boy once he was “legal”…
Yes, that is weird. I’m thinking of my 18 year old DS. If a man had been “interested in his career” and supportive of him when he was a boy - then an affair started once my boy was of age - it would immediately paint those years of “encouragement” with an ugly hue of predatory patience.

MeinKraft · 27/05/2023 08:23

RedToothBrush · 27/05/2023 08:06

After the Saville stuff TV executives should have been on the lookout for things like this. Then there's been Weinstein. So TV personalities and executives should be aware that they have power over young people which should not be abused.

For years it's been the understanding that in order to get into film, television or music you had to be willing to sleep with someone to get in. It is the very reason I didn't go into the industry. We had a lecture at uni where my class was asked if we would be prepared to sleep with someone to advance our careers. Out of 30, 3 said no. I knew it wasn't for me. I'd already been warned this by a friend who was very involved in the music industry at one point too.

The point is there has supposed to be a clean up of the industry since then. TV executives turning a blind eye or even taking Schofield's word at face value is a bad look for the channel. It's very much not about his personal life. It's about abusing his position to exploit vulnerable younger colleagues. The culture of intimidation and silencing of other colleagues who objected and had concerns with some losing their jobs as a result is part of the pattern of abuse of power.

Eammon Holmes is right to point this out.

The Weinstein scandal began to be under covered in 2017. The orchestrated Schofield coming out was 2019. By this point everyone knew about what was going on. It was all over MN. And that's why there were objections because of the very obvious parallels. But ITV executives still did it and effectively protected Schofield. That was grossly unwise. It demonstrates they didn't properly investigate. They just took Schofield at his word and ignored all the whistleblowers. That's a MASSIVE safeguarding fail.

All the executives involved should be looked into and questions asked.

If it was decades ago this happened or the cover up was pre Weinstein there might be different arguments. That wouldnt mean what Schofield had done was any less bad - what it means is that there are massive duty of care questions and executives have failed to uphold safeguarding younger crew members instead placing the power of the celebrity above their well being.

Schofield could help a kid he'd known since he was 10 get into the industry. That's nepotism and not great but it's not exploitation. The second he embarked on a relationship the balance of power in the relationship is massively off. Schofield knew this. It's not ok.

And there are still questions about when the relationship became sexual. A man saying it was always legal whilst simultaneously saying he's lied and covered up, isn't your best character witness. Especially when he was cheating on his wife to do it. I'm fairly sure others will eventually come out to say they had affairs with Schofield during his marriage too (which makes the whole brave and stunning routine look dreadful - even if he's gay he shouldn't have cheated on his wife). They may be adults but it still won't help Schofield's case.

The whole 'coming out' media parade now looks icky and tarnished. That's an incredibly bad look for the TV executives.

It's not a small story. It's not just about Schofield. It's about how TV executives make their own careers and get viewing figures based on sucking up to certain personalities and protecting them when they should be properly investigated and held accountable for their actions. I've no doubt that lawyers were probably involved at the start because Schofield had big pockets and threatened to ruin the careers of the executives if they did their job properly and investigated properly. And THAT is where similarities with Saville come in (not because TV executives are nonces). It's about intimidation and threats. And again that needs to be looked at in terms of Schofield's behaviour and professionalism. Was he also abusing his position by doing this with OTHER members of staff?

We DO have a number of high profile individuals talking about how he bullied others on set to get his way.

So don't think this is about two consenting adults who are victims of a gay witch-hunt. It absolutely has nothing to do with that.

And sadly it's true that a woman exploited in a similar way probably wouldn't be taken as seriously - but that doesn't diminish the actions of Schofield or the Executives either. It just shows that safeguarding is taken even less seriously when it comes to junior women staffers.

Great post. People saying it's a witch-hunt have missed the point, it's not really about PS. Its about ITV.

RhinoMoveFast · 27/05/2023 08:24

Sianthomasisnothererightnow · 27/05/2023 08:07

I don’t understand; you’re saying that if someone didn’t realise someone at their workplace was a paedophile because they have been groomed then they should be investigated by social because they can’t be trusted to look after their own children?

If someone is groomed in the workplace and has demonstrated that they can't safeguard at work them yes I believe they also can't safeguard at home and yes I believe that they should have a safeguarding assessment by social services.

(For example, I would be content that Eamonn and Ruth would safeguard a child.)

I wouldn't have my children near someone who is so risky that they took their own children in holiday with predators or was pushing things like permanent pre pubescent bodies for example. I would consider them risky in general. I would remove my children from a school with teachers like that be it a talent school that had PS as a patron or a standard school that went against the Casss review or a school that removed parental responsibility without a court order (changing a child's name for example), I wouldn't care what names people called me, I gather as in work most people don't safeguard there, they don't safeguard their own children well either.

RhinoMoveFast · 27/05/2023 08:27

savory · 27/05/2023 08:16

The sordidity around X-Men director Brian Singer and his Hollywood entourage involving drugs., parties and suicide is off the scale. It makes Schofield's story thus far seem tame in comparison.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/mar/04/ian-mckellen-apologises-for-remarks-suggesting-defence-of-spacey-and-singer

A founding member of Stonewall who share Phillips enthusiasm for permanent pre pubescent bodies, interesting!

Babyhustwabtstodance · 27/05/2023 08:28

Now I'm worried what Gordon the gopher may have gone through in that broom cupboard.

Sianthomasisnothererightnow · 27/05/2023 08:31

RhinoMoveFast · 27/05/2023 08:24

If someone is groomed in the workplace and has demonstrated that they can't safeguard at work them yes I believe they also can't safeguard at home and yes I believe that they should have a safeguarding assessment by social services.

(For example, I would be content that Eamonn and Ruth would safeguard a child.)

I wouldn't have my children near someone who is so risky that they took their own children in holiday with predators or was pushing things like permanent pre pubescent bodies for example. I would consider them risky in general. I would remove my children from a school with teachers like that be it a talent school that had PS as a patron or a standard school that went against the Casss review or a school that removed parental responsibility without a court order (changing a child's name for example), I wouldn't care what names people called me, I gather as in work most people don't safeguard there, they don't safeguard their own children well either.

This is so ridiculous I’m not even going to respond to it.

JulietteField · 27/05/2023 08:36

Babyhustwabtstodance · 27/05/2023 08:28

Now I'm worried what Gordon the gopher may have gone through in that broom cupboard.

I would imagine that Gordon is still in therapy.

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