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Telling friend I can no longer do “favour”

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Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 11:43

I’ve a good long standing friend who when she goes away (not often, it’s usually 1 week a year and a long weekend) I do a favour, which being deliberately vague here, is essentially helping look after an elderly relative.
Nothing overly personal but does require daily/twice daily drop ins. Relative has been very reluctant (understatement) to take on a carer or look into other options and essentially insists they are looked after by family (I think this is potentially cultural) hence why they ask family friends to help when away, especially people who know the relative already.

Friend is always incredibly grateful and sends me a generous amount of money to cover the costs of a few nice meals out to treat myself as thanks every time. I’ve never asked for this. Just for context that I don’t think they are tight or CFs - not the point of the thread!

Honestly it doesn’t work anymore for a number of reasons but the two main ones are I need to be in the office more than I used to, and due to a limited train timetable (I live semi rurally) I really only have one train I can get which makes being organised enough for this a real stress.

The elderly relative in question is also not as “with it” as they were even a year ago, which makes them increasingly difficult to be around. I think the relative needs more formal care and is not far off probably needing residential care but in this family this would never happen and I know they have encouraged them to move in with a family member with room and time, but they won’t leave their home.

This with a few other less key bits… fundamentally I just don’t want to. I used to not mind at all, and actually really enjoyed going round and their company, I never felt guilt tripped into it!
But they were away last week and I helped out, relative is increasingly difficult and I actively dreaded it every day and was counting down the days till they were back and was so annoyed/upset when their flight was delayed and I had to do essentially another day.

I’m also very worried given their declining state they’ll get very sick while the family are away (they go away as a whole family every time) and I’ll be stuck talking to doctors etc.

There have been times when I haven’t been able to do it due to also being away/other commitments and friend has never had an issue but I think has struggled to find other people to help.

I don’t know if the best course of action is to say now, I’m not willing to do it again. Or just make up a white lie that I can’t when she asks (usually about 3 months notice). I think she’d be very upset if I said the former as they might take it a bit personally but do I just need to rip the plaster off?

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GonnaGetGoingReturns · 24/05/2023 16:37

Don’t blame trains but just tell your friend you can’t help out and look after her relative now.

It’s very kind of you to pop in and help but whether it’s through family or not your friend needs to arrange more of a carer type care going forward.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 24/05/2023 16:44

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 13:16

I don’t think they would be upset with me, I think they might take it a bit personally if I say I think they need professional care when them and a sibling look after them currently that it is a slight on them.
Culturally as well it just wouldn’t happen that they would go to a home so I need to be a bit sensitive there!
But yes saying I can no longer safely care for them with their needs and my work commitments is fair I think.

It really is up to them to decide whether to care for them with siblings or not.

I’ve got an Anglo Indian friend who had an elderly grandmother living with her parents, my friend had her own house. She helped out her parents looking after her grandmother who then developed Alzheimer’s and once when trying to cook set the kitchen on fire!

She also kept on falling but then my friend’s mother developed rheumatoid arthritis, had to have a knee replacement and developed a heart condition and her father developed a lung condition. My friend realised they both could not look after the grandmother as it was affecting their health but my friend couldn’t do it too with 2 young children. They found a lovely private nursing home (didn’t want to do it for cultural reasons) but the grandmother is much happier there now, made lots of friends and sees her relatives on a regular basis.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 17:11

I suspect she may end up needing a care home, if she would agree is another matter. I think there is some expectation on her part also that her family should look after her l, as well as duty on my friends part. But yes I need to accept that that is for them to resolve.
I will not offer a solution I will when I see her over the weekend just kindly explain that my work circumstances have changed and it’s really not just popping in for half an hour a day like it used to be due to her being more frail and some cognitive decline and I’ve neither the time nor the knowledge to do it safely.

I think I do have to mention also that she has got to a stage where I do worry she would have a fall and I’m not willing to be the person kissing with doctors etc while they are all in another country. I worry if she is worse “next time” I might be worried about her leaving the gas on or wandering off in her pyjamas at 1am etc and I’m just not willing to put myself through that. I’ve found it SO stressful this time round and I frankly don’t want to do it anymore

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ShandaLear · 24/05/2023 17:13

I would tell her as soon as she got back and be very gentle but very honest. I’d say, ‘Friend, you and your family mean the world to me and you know I have always been happy to help look after granny when you’re on holiday, but the last time I went I saw that her health has deteriorated quite badly and it was a real struggle to look after her. I think next time you need to get in professional help, as her needs are greater my ability to provide the level of care she requires’.

Outdamnspot23 · 24/05/2023 17:20

I think you want to be careful using words like "deteriorated" to someone about their beloved family member! I'm sure you wouldn't but a couple of people have suggested it, makes them sound like a mouldering artefact in a museum not a living elderly person.

I think one of the earliest posters had it right - trains and work making it too hard for you to do it from now on unfortunately.

If they're a decent friend they'll say "of course" and you can then bring up, almost as a separate thing "I was a bit shocked to see how much X had changed since last time I popped round, she's finding it quite hard to do Z and Y now isn't she?" and that'll give them a chance to probably share their worries with you.

viques · 24/05/2023 17:35

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 11:47

I can’t think why I didn’t think of this! Yes I’ll go with this rather than using the relatives state of health as a reason which I think might upset them.
thank you!

I think they do need to be aware that the health deterioration is part of the problem. They might try to find another good friend to cover the care, who will have the same problems as you. They need to know that willing but untrained care is no longer sufficient, safe or advisable for their elderly relative.

Saz12 · 24/05/2023 17:37

I think youd be better having a gentle conversation with freind. Something like "Ive not seen Nan for 9 months, and I hadnt realised how much more support she was needing. I'm sorry that I didnt appreciate how much work you mustve been doing to help her of late. And I know this comes at a bad time, but I honestly dont think I can cope again with providing that level of help to her when you're away. I really do care about her, and I hugely admire you for all the work you do...".

Thesharkradar · 24/05/2023 17:39

suggesting a home will go down like a sack of lead. As mentioned there is some cultural factors at play where you simply do not put old people in home
I suspect that because you (understandably) havent mention a care home the friend assumes you share her strong feeling on the subject and as a consequence you are willing to do whatever it takes to help the relative avoid a care home.
Whatever reasons you give I think they need to be watertight so she's not tempted to try and reel you back in.
Very awkward😶

Napmum · 24/05/2023 17:45

I would address this now so they have even longer to look at alternatives. Be completely honest about the whole thing: your circumstances have changed and trains, etc. But do mention how the relative is getting more difficult and needs a specialist. They might be thinking a similar thing, and it might help open discussions up within the family if you feed back your experience.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/05/2023 17:46

I will not offer a solution I will when I see her over the weekend just kindly explain that my work circumstances have changed and it’s really not just popping in for half an hour a day like it used to be due to her being more frail and some cognitive decline and I’ve neither the time nor the knowledge to do it safely

FWIW I think you're being very wise, OP - especially about not offering solutions since that's a matter for them

You've also been very kind in doing this already, but as you say things change and your choices have to change with them. Give them plenty of notice of course, but then step right back since this isn't going to get any better

Velvian · 24/05/2023 18:02

I think you should absolutely include that her needs are too much for you to cope with now. You don't need to make any judgement or suggestion on what they should do as a family though.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 18:04

I haven’t mentioned a home because until recently they coped fine. Ie last time they essentially could look after themselves but just needed literally a “check in” and a help with the shopping as they struggled to carry the bags. They likely would have been fine without but it’s peace of mind for them really.

Beyond a bit of “is it Spain they’ve gone to” “no, Greece” “oh lovely… where abouts in Spain?” she was fine.

This time they seem a bit confused and irate and frankly quite rude which is very very out of character

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Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 18:06

But equally I wouldn’t mention a home. Culturally it’s a very sensitive issue and it just wouldn’t go down well. It’s for them and I don’t want to somehow get involved in finding a solution

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Mirabai · 24/05/2023 18:08

It’s fine not to mention a home. If your friend of one of her family members want elderly relative to move in with them instead that’s what they can do.

Thesharkradar · 24/05/2023 18:09

after you step away OP, I wonder how long it will be till they change their mind about residential care?

Allthings · 24/05/2023 18:15

You need to be honest. You are either concerned about the well being of their relative or not. If you are concerned about them you need to say that you no longer feel able to look in on their relative due to a change in their health and you are not experienced enough to manage things. You can add the work/travel issues if you so wish. Please do not bury their relatives well being with work and travel.

It is not up to you to offer solutions or give input to solutions unless asked to do so. Unless you are a health or social care professional, the best you can do is to say that you believe the relative needs more support than you can give. You will be better off just sticking to the facts of what you have observed.

Elderly people are very adept at covering. I had an elderly neighbour who managed to pull the wool over the eyes of a number of healthcare professionals and their family, other than one daughter. The daughter was accused of exaggerating by family members and that was backed up by health assessments. It wasn’t until I contacted social services as I felt very concerned after observing a number of things over a short period of time, that the neighbour got the care that they needed. The daughter was extremely relieved for their parent as well as having validation that she was correct all along.

billy1966 · 24/05/2023 18:21

OP,

This is NOT your relative so offer NO opinion on their care, or future needs.

You will not be thanked, and it is none of your business.

However, your work commitments, transport limitations etc. , mean that it is no longer possible for you to be involved.

Be ready to say that sometimes you have early/late meetings, obligations that are fluid, which means you are not best placed to commit to something like this going forward.

Bluetrews25 · 24/05/2023 18:35

Gosh I feel for you, OP
It's like looking after the elderly hamster from school. You can't just pop out for a replacement in this case, can you?
If they don't want to use a home, and relly will not have carers in, then they can no longer go on holiday.
No-one ever died due to lack of foreign travel.

DorritLittle · 24/05/2023 18:40

I think you should bow out now OP and you have every right to feel that way.

I may have missed this but it sounds like they need a regular paid for care provider in the home.

DorritLittle · 24/05/2023 18:43

Just re read your original post and this person needs carers in place if they won’t leave their home. It’s as simple as that. With the elderly, it always eventually becomes about what is needed rather than what is desirable in an ideal world. You are not responsible for the impasse this family has created for itself about this.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 24/05/2023 18:46

Also worth considering that you don't have "carer" accommodations with your employer. What is your position if you need to leave in an emergency to deal with doctors and so on?

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 24/05/2023 18:47

No reason they can't arrange professional are for holidays

MyLovelyDad · 24/05/2023 18:49

I know you said she pays you, but I do think it's a bit cheeky of her , it's such a big responsibility.

stayathomer · 24/05/2023 19:12

I think the difficult and right thing to do is sit them down and say you’re not able to because you can’t manage them. They honestly need to hear this and it sounds more like your reasoning if you yourself go up and read your op

Mirabai · 24/05/2023 19:15

MyLovelyDad · 24/05/2023 18:49

I know you said she pays you, but I do think it's a bit cheeky of her , it's such a big responsibility.

It’s not fair. They should be paying carers with training and insurance.

What would happen if relative suddenly deteriorated in OP’s care?

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