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Telling friend I can no longer do “favour”

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Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 11:43

I’ve a good long standing friend who when she goes away (not often, it’s usually 1 week a year and a long weekend) I do a favour, which being deliberately vague here, is essentially helping look after an elderly relative.
Nothing overly personal but does require daily/twice daily drop ins. Relative has been very reluctant (understatement) to take on a carer or look into other options and essentially insists they are looked after by family (I think this is potentially cultural) hence why they ask family friends to help when away, especially people who know the relative already.

Friend is always incredibly grateful and sends me a generous amount of money to cover the costs of a few nice meals out to treat myself as thanks every time. I’ve never asked for this. Just for context that I don’t think they are tight or CFs - not the point of the thread!

Honestly it doesn’t work anymore for a number of reasons but the two main ones are I need to be in the office more than I used to, and due to a limited train timetable (I live semi rurally) I really only have one train I can get which makes being organised enough for this a real stress.

The elderly relative in question is also not as “with it” as they were even a year ago, which makes them increasingly difficult to be around. I think the relative needs more formal care and is not far off probably needing residential care but in this family this would never happen and I know they have encouraged them to move in with a family member with room and time, but they won’t leave their home.

This with a few other less key bits… fundamentally I just don’t want to. I used to not mind at all, and actually really enjoyed going round and their company, I never felt guilt tripped into it!
But they were away last week and I helped out, relative is increasingly difficult and I actively dreaded it every day and was counting down the days till they were back and was so annoyed/upset when their flight was delayed and I had to do essentially another day.

I’m also very worried given their declining state they’ll get very sick while the family are away (they go away as a whole family every time) and I’ll be stuck talking to doctors etc.

There have been times when I haven’t been able to do it due to also being away/other commitments and friend has never had an issue but I think has struggled to find other people to help.

I don’t know if the best course of action is to say now, I’m not willing to do it again. Or just make up a white lie that I can’t when she asks (usually about 3 months notice). I think she’d be very upset if I said the former as they might take it a bit personally but do I just need to rip the plaster off?

OP posts:
BillyNoM8s · 24/05/2023 13:07

I do think you should mention that she has become increasingly difficult to provide care for. Hearing it from a third party might be the reality check they need before they try and dump this duty on another family friend.

It would be quite unreasonable for them to be upset with you. If she's a rude pain in the arse (or whatever makes her difficult) I doubt this is a surprise to them.

They need to pay for visiting carers or reassess her living situation.

PimpMyFridge · 24/05/2023 13:09

Your reasons are not one simple thing, it is a combination of things, anyone should be able to understand this (though naturally be upset about what that means for them).
You can say it is hard to tell them because you know what it means and you would have avoided reaching this conclusion if you could. They will appreciate you understand that and it will show you have really thought it through and aren't doing it lightly.
You can also say that you couldn't cope with an unexpected crisis happening on your watch, you feel the relative and you could be in a very difficult position in that event and you feel that is becoming more likely as health is noticeably declining.

I don't think excuses will help here, someone needs to face facts for everyone's sake.

whatchagonnado · 24/05/2023 13:11

It probably won't be a surprise to them - I'm sure the decking health of their relative will have been noticed. They can't think that it will go on forever.
It would be awful if something happened to the relative whilst you were 'looking after' her - I assume you're not medically trained?
I think the time has come to arrange proper professional help when they are away. Maybe the relative could go 'on holiday' to a care home instead - my Dad did this with my Great Aunt and she liked it so much there, she eventually moved in!

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PollyVerano · 24/05/2023 13:13

Yes- just be honest. Your honest reasons are absolutely valid.
Just pluck up the courage to say it as soon as you can, to give the family as much notice as possible that you are no longer available.

LateAF · 24/05/2023 13:13

Just say you can't cope anymore and can't give her the level of care she needs. Don't make other excuses as that one is the most significant and can't really be worked around using you as a solution.

oakleaffy · 24/05/2023 13:15

Hillrunning · 24/05/2023 12:32

I don't think you should blame trains. The reality is that with the deterioration it is no longer something you can safely do. While it might upset them, it might be helpful to hear this from an outsider who will notice the deterioration more than thoes close to the relative.

This- @Lastqueenofscotland2 Cognitive decline is often not noticed by nearest and dearest- You must say truthfully what is happening.
What if the relative were to have an accident or wander off, or get aggressive with you?
What would you do then?

It’s not your responsibility.
The family need to get proper carers in to keep their relative “ Safe”.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 13:16

I don’t think they would be upset with me, I think they might take it a bit personally if I say I think they need professional care when them and a sibling look after them currently that it is a slight on them.
Culturally as well it just wouldn’t happen that they would go to a home so I need to be a bit sensitive there!
But yes saying I can no longer safely care for them with their needs and my work commitments is fair I think.

OP posts:
Mumsnut · 24/05/2023 13:18

I would tell that them you feel
out of your depth now. They are probably pulling the wool over their own eyes about how much gran has deteriorated - it is very difficult to accept that a loved one is
going downhill. They need to face up to it and make proper arrangements.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 13:18

But thank you all for taking the time to reply. I had already decided that I wasn’t willing to do it again but this has given me the kick I needed to be a bit more direct

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Zarataralara · 24/05/2023 13:21

TrainersNotSneakers · 24/05/2023 12:37

Just say something like "I really struggled looking after Granny last week. The combination of her deteriorating health and me having to get to the office more often meant that I couldn't give her the support she needed. It's better if you look at alternative arrangements for your next holiday as I'm afraid I won't be able help out in future".

This is perfect. I can’t believe they expect you to take a train to help with their relative. That’s asking too much.

PimpMyFridge · 24/05/2023 13:22

Don't give opinions (can cause offence, are not neutral) give observations (are factual, neutral and inform don't advise).

So you don't say you think they need professional care, you say you see that the level of care you can provide is not enough, as the last time you helped you were skirting riskily close to your limits in terms of meeting their needs now things have declined and felt the situation could exceed those limits at any moment, it was very lucky no crisis arose as you would have been out of your depth.

oakleaffy · 24/05/2023 13:25

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 13:16

I don’t think they would be upset with me, I think they might take it a bit personally if I say I think they need professional care when them and a sibling look after them currently that it is a slight on them.
Culturally as well it just wouldn’t happen that they would go to a home so I need to be a bit sensitive there!
But yes saying I can no longer safely care for them with their needs and my work commitments is fair I think.

It isn’t a slight of the family- They are family , you aren’t.
We looked after a family member ( not cognitive decline) and it was hard emotionally and physically- but we wouldn’t have expected friends to step in.

There are good carers about who assist people in their own homes- Far better to employ one of these who will be experienced dealing with cognitive decline.

Idontgiveashitanymore · 24/05/2023 13:25

Just tell them you can’t do it and she will need to book them in for respite somewhere

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 13:32

Zarataralara · 24/05/2023 13:21

This is perfect. I can’t believe they expect you to take a train to help with their relative. That’s asking too much.

They don’t- they are round the corner but I need to get the train to work, but if I miss my train because they need a bit more time or help then the next one isn’t for some time

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IsGoodIsDon · 24/05/2023 13:33

Suggest respite care in a care home for 2 weeks. It can give the person a chance to see a care home from the inside so to say and can then make it easier once they need the transition into care as it’s already a little familiar to them.

Isheabastard · 24/05/2023 13:37

All the reasons you give are very valid and I don’t think anyone reasonable would feel offended at any of them.

The fact you are no longer able to look after their relative, may give your friend and/or her family the impetus to get proper care sorted.

You may in fact be doing your friend a favour by being honest.

JaneBeyre · 24/05/2023 13:38

As you've noted the deterioration would be much more noticeable to you and if you can't manage the relative anymore then it's not fair or safe to do so (to the relative either.)

It may be time to say that, and to also mention that you've noticed the change and have they thought of looking for more support? You may not change things but you may plant a seed, and it sounds like the time has come for that.

FarmGirl78 · 24/05/2023 13:39

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 11:47

I can’t think why I didn’t think of this! Yes I’ll go with this rather than using the relatives state of health as a reason which I think might upset them.
thank you!

Possibly followed by "Seeing as I can't help what about respite care? As XXXXXX is getting older and her care needs increase you might find it useful to have that back up".....that way you're not saying she's a problem now but that it might get that way in future.

BishopRock · 24/05/2023 13:40

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 12:49

I don’t think they are not aware of it, they have tried to encourage them to move, but for them it will have happened gradually I’ve not really seen this person in 9 months or so so for me the deterioration is very stark so maybe more obvious

Please have a chat with your friend about this, it may be what both she and the relative need to enable your friend to broach it with the relative, or at least start thinking about possible types of care.

It would be much more helpful to your friend to hear from an outside source about how much the decline has been, or how noticeable it is, rather than not mention it and just say it's trains and work.

catzrulz · 24/05/2023 13:41

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 24/05/2023 12:49

I don’t think they are not aware of it, they have tried to encourage them to move, but for them it will have happened gradually I’ve not really seen this person in 9 months or so so for me the deterioration is very stark so maybe more obvious

Absolutely this, I'm a care manager and saying this kindly, many families don't realise how their loved ones do deteriorate when they are with them day to day.
A gentle conversation with your friend re "granny" will be hard but it might just be what they need to hear.

Fandabedodgy · 24/05/2023 13:42

What you have conveyed here in your OP is very reasonable. You need to have an open and honest conversation with your friend. If you do this in the way you have conveyed this to us then I am sure your friend will understand.

MistySkiesAreGone · 24/05/2023 13:42

I'd just say I can't do it due to being in the office more and also xx has become a bit much for me to manage now. Honest but fair. If they want to probe for more info they can and you aren't offering an opinion or advice without being asked. Agree if you think there are specific examples they need to know , that might help them getting other care then give them.

ScottBakula · 24/05/2023 13:42

Hillrunning · 24/05/2023 12:32

I don't think you should blame trains. The reality is that with the deterioration it is no longer something you can safely do. While it might upset them, it might be helpful to hear this from an outsider who will notice the deterioration more than thoes close to the relative.

I agree with this , another person's perspective may be the conformation that they need regarding their relatives future care.

Also if your friend is as generous as you say they may offer to pay for a taxi for you so you don't need to get the train.
It will be even harder to back out then.

WeaselKingHenry · 24/05/2023 13:48

I would also explain health - trains and work schedules will see them actively looking for “fixes” to make it happen.

the health and responsibility is the real reason - tell them now and let them make care plans.

diddl · 24/05/2023 13:51

I would also say that you feel that you can no longer give relative the care that they need.

Be that because it now takes longer & you don't have the time or physically/mentally it's more difficult.