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New UC rules to force both partners to work ??

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Citrusmuffin · 29/04/2023 10:07

I can’t find anything online about this but have heard it’s being changed as previously there had to be a certain number of hours worked but this could be by just one partner but now it’s being changed to make both work even though the total household hours don’t change??

This seems very unfair and taking away choice for some families in difficult circumstances. I just can’t find the official guidance is anyone able to link to it ? Thanks

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PieInSpace · 29/04/2023 14:38
  • PieInSpace UC apparently covers up to 85% of childcare costs if claimants do work, so I really can't see the excuse?

It's paid in arrears though, so you have to find the money upfront to pay the childcare then claim it back after. Not everyone has that kind of spare cash.

Honestly, the excuses just keep coming. UC apparently also will provide upfront loans to people when they claim so that should cover it.

85% of childcare costs paid and it's still not good enough? It really is unbelievable. As a lone parent I've had to fork out over £2k per month for childcare from my own post tax earnings and apparently a couple who can share childcare between them, work opposite shifts, could earn two incomes, have no disabilities etc, can get 85% of childcare paid for them and still people make excuses why it's "impossible"?!

Citrusmuffin · 29/04/2023 14:38

The ME was what caused us to need to home educate - total collapse and unable to have needs met at school it was impossible unfortunately

Hopefully we get the dla awarded soon it’s just been a long wait.

I actually do wish I could work but my own health is currently too bad. If by some miracle I improved I’d work from home at weekends as I am a qualified beauty and massage therapist I used to absolutely ADORE my job 😭

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Humanbiology · 29/04/2023 14:39

SleepingStandingUp · 29/04/2023 14:36

Swear I'm not just copying your user name.... Biology, with a view of going into teaching long term but that was pre twins. Every one is quick to tell me I won't do a teaching training year with 3 kids in Primary. My volunteer work builds up my catering and fundraising experience tho so that might be more useful in two years

Go for it we need more good caring teachers. You will succeed you're almost to the end. Your children will benefit from you and your knowledge.

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JenniferBooth · 29/04/2023 14:39

"mandatory voluntary work" ????? !!!!!!!

How can something be mandatory and voluntary at the same time. Honestly you sound more daft with each post. Two words............Cait Reilly

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:39

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:28

If you have a bed bound child or one that is severely disabled for life then of course most people would want to help - everyone else should be working.

My niece has a life limiting illness and is extremely disabled, she is a perfect illustration, my sister works full time. The carers allowance and special school provision goes a long way, and my sister enjoys a break from the relentless needs of her dd, which is emotionally very draining. It helps everyone. If she can do it, anyone can.

and special school provision goes a long way, and my sister enjoys a break from the relentless needs of her dd, children with severely SEN children di t get a break they rarely manage a full day and are constantly excluded often they then are forced to HE again no break. Ironically the parents of the most severely disabled children that then qualify for SEN provision get more support. So no not everyone can!!

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:39

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:23

I am clearly taking about a family with a child or children who needs a sahp due to their disability.

I have explained clearly that most people do not have a child so severely disabled, and no provision whatsoever. It’s very rare. Sen is rarely so severe the child is bed bound.

Most families can find solutions to suit them, even the most difficult scenarios can be worked around, and should be, because it’s in the families interest to work and prosper. Great mental health, positive well being and autonomy and independence are vital.

Tekkentime · 29/04/2023 14:40

I know a couple where he works 16 hours, his wife 8 hours and they have 6 kids. Both work in unskilled jobs after he quit his full time skilled job. They have a lot more takeaways, days out and nights out than me. Always showing off something else that they've bought. I'm sure they'll be really bothered to find an extra couple of hours between them.

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:42

Her company are very supportive, so when they have hospital apps and tests they are happy for her to go. They have completed the marathon as a team to contribute to the charity supporting my niece.@Blizzard23 you just don't get it do you that kind of support is rare.

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:43

Citrusmuffin · 29/04/2023 14:38

The ME was what caused us to need to home educate - total collapse and unable to have needs met at school it was impossible unfortunately

Hopefully we get the dla awarded soon it’s just been a long wait.

I actually do wish I could work but my own health is currently too bad. If by some miracle I improved I’d work from home at weekends as I am a qualified beauty and massage therapist I used to absolutely ADORE my job 😭

Then a job working from home in the evenings and weekends would fit in well. You could run your own business or work for a company.

That is perfectly feasible op, lots of choice out there.

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:44

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:42

Her company are very supportive, so when they have hospital apps and tests they are happy for her to go. They have completed the marathon as a team to contribute to the charity supporting my niece.@Blizzard23 you just don't get it do you that kind of support is rare.

A wfh job is perfect! So many options too. My sister likes to work outside of the home and enjoy a break but others could and should be wfh.

70Sarah · 29/04/2023 14:44

Yes,it’s basic maths, put more into the economy (people working and paying tax) than taking from the economy (people choosing to live on benefits) and you have more money to put into thing like healthcare and education, maybe even have enough to pay nurses and healthcare workers a decent wage! I don’t think people understand where benefits come from, the government don’t just print off some extra money to give people lifestyle choices! We need to work to build a sustainable economy, we cannot prop up life style choices when individuals are choosing to sponge off others.

SleepingStandingUp · 29/04/2023 14:45

Humanbiology · 29/04/2023 14:39

Go for it we need more good caring teachers. You will succeed you're almost to the end. Your children will benefit from you and your knowledge.

Thanks, and @Julen7 . We'll see where we are in two years (def no more babies), I just want to finish the degree now 😂, DS might not be disabled at all by then which would make childcare easier, I'd honestly he happy initially I'd I could get a full time job in the school kitchen 😂, if I can cook for 100 adults, 200 will be a cinch 😂😂

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:45

70Sarah · 29/04/2023 14:44

Yes,it’s basic maths, put more into the economy (people working and paying tax) than taking from the economy (people choosing to live on benefits) and you have more money to put into thing like healthcare and education, maybe even have enough to pay nurses and healthcare workers a decent wage! I don’t think people understand where benefits come from, the government don’t just print off some extra money to give people lifestyle choices! We need to work to build a sustainable economy, we cannot prop up life style choices when individuals are choosing to sponge off others.

I agree

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:45

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:39

I have explained clearly that most people do not have a child so severely disabled, and no provision whatsoever. It’s very rare. Sen is rarely so severe the child is bed bound.

Most families can find solutions to suit them, even the most difficult scenarios can be worked around, and should be, because it’s in the families interest to work and prosper. Great mental health, positive well being and autonomy and independence are vital.

Why is being bedbound worse than a child defecting ,smearing their feaces and punching themselves and others in the face. You seem fixed on this.

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:47

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:44

A wfh job is perfect! So many options too. My sister likes to work outside of the home and enjoy a break but others could and should be wfh.

I give up and doubt you even a real poster. Nobody can be so naive to think that someone with a severely disabled child that can't access education can wfh in the next room.

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No there are NOT provisions for all children!

PieInSpace · 29/04/2023 14:48

70Sarah · 29/04/2023 14:44

Yes,it’s basic maths, put more into the economy (people working and paying tax) than taking from the economy (people choosing to live on benefits) and you have more money to put into thing like healthcare and education, maybe even have enough to pay nurses and healthcare workers a decent wage! I don’t think people understand where benefits come from, the government don’t just print off some extra money to give people lifestyle choices! We need to work to build a sustainable economy, we cannot prop up life style choices when individuals are choosing to sponge off others.

Exactly. The lack of money to support the disabled, and to pay for decent healthcare, education and infrastructure that would improve productivity and therefore raise salaries for everyone, is directly affected by lazy people who COULD work full time not working at all or working part time and claiming benefits.

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:48

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:47

I give up and doubt you even a real poster. Nobody can be so naive to think that someone with a severely disabled child that can't access education can wfh in the next room.

You can work when dh is home and can take over? It would be good for you to have a break and do something different with your time.

Citrusmuffin · 29/04/2023 14:49

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:43

Then a job working from home in the evenings and weekends would fit in well. You could run your own business or work for a company.

That is perfectly feasible op, lots of choice out there.

If my health improved then I would immediately . I’ve been told by my consultant it won’t improve and will get worse but I’m always hopeful something may come along that helps , a medication or therapy 🤞

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SleepingStandingUp · 29/04/2023 14:49

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Then your sibling is lucky, cos I know plenty of families who have failed to be able to get adequate care, respite, care, school space etc. for their complex needs child. And that's not even considering the effect of covid if those kids were being shielded so not even accessing the little bit of school that was available.

Citrusmuffin · 29/04/2023 14:51

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:45

Why is being bedbound worse than a child defecting ,smearing their feaces and punching themselves and others in the face. You seem fixed on this.

I think sometimes people either don’t realise that’s what disability can look like it they just want to see the type of disability that society deems ‘worthy’ so permanently bed bound or paralysed in a wheelchair but a disability can be so many different things and I think a lot of people dont realise at all unfortunately or don’t want to

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FloatingBean · 29/04/2023 14:52

Citrusmuffin · 29/04/2023 14:32

The key thing here is the special school provision- we can’t even get an EHCP needs assessment ! So it’s not a simple case of she an do it so everyone can

Have you appealed the EHCNA refusal. The vast majority of appeals are upheld.

In the meantime if DC is CSA and can’t attend school full time if you weren’t EHEing the LA would still have a statutory duty to provide a suitable, full time education under s.19 of the Education Act 1996. And they can be forced to do so if they refuse/delay.

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:52

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:48

You can work when dh is home and can take over? It would be good for you to have a break and do something different with your time.

I can't work as an also disabled I used to be self employed now my health is too poor. . And even if I wasn't do you really believe after 4 hours skeep and looking after a teaching a disabled child I could then work in paid employment . You aren't living in the real world.
Anyway you will be pleased to know my dh earns too much for us to claim benefits . Also I don't need to work my dh earns well over 100k

NewNovember · 29/04/2023 14:53

Blizzard23 · 29/04/2023 14:48

You can work when dh is home and can take over? It would be good for you to have a break and do something different with your time.

And stop being so incredibly patronising I love being with my child/children.