Shein

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Has anyone used them. They look like they have some lovely clothes for a good price?
quality?
any feedback?

It's shitty to try and guilt trip people who don't have much choice.

@Beezknees you don't have to feel GUILTY. You SHOULD acknowledge Shein is problematic.

You should try to reduce how much you buy from there - nobody needs to buy in excess, period.

Nobody needs to buy stuff and chuck it away after. And I know because I used to do that a lot (oops, I guess I'm not allowed an opinion, hypocrite).

Ironically, the 'privilege' of thinking your western right outweighs the rights of people who look like me. But because they're overseas, you can just ignore them, eh?

Western wants, not even rights. Genuinely wondering how some people got to the point when they're this defensive about their fave company 🙄

I’m guessing by your stance on this you don’t own a mass produced phone?

My order arrived, they'd split it into two parts, so still another one to come. The top fits really nicely and is nice quality, but the two pairs of trousers are fantastic for the price - €8.80 each. The fit is great, and the quality is easily on a par with DP/Topshop etc, and the top better than Primark.

New look, asos, primark and all the others are also fast fashion - the difference is mainly that they have retail staff which means they are more expensive to cover those costs.

For the cost of return bus fare to that mythical charity shop that doesn't charge a higher price than buying new and happens to have something in the correct size, knickers, bras, tights, shoes and a jacket/coat to avoid another five return trips on the off-chance, somebody waiting for a UC payment could have a top.

It's all about demonising the poor as being of lesser moral fibre, really.

Not that I defend Shein, but how can New Look be alternative to this? It's made with cheap labour, it's just mark up of keeping the stores open, warehouses etc. here adds cost. Same with all those shops like H&M, Primark etc.

This.

I bet a lot of those taking the moral high ground will be going to buy their responsibly sourced clothes form independent shops in their range rovers, whilst messaging the nanny to stay late on their brand new iPhone.

you can’t get everything from charity shops, you just can’t. Anything affordable be it SHEIN, primark or even new look will be fast fashion (though not really fart fashion to me as I’ll have it years). I don’t buy clothes very often and do buy them from charity shops if there’s something worth having, but I can’t afford to buy more ethical stuff all the time. Sometimes it has to be cheap fast fashion.

Shein is cheap because it’s made by kids and poor women in sweatshops.

Id rather go nude than support them.

I think that's part of it. The "fast" aspect. You're absolutely expected to wear it once and bin, move on, buy the next. That's less of a "thing" with other high street stores. Shein and similar make it clear on their websites that each product will only be available for a tiny window, not a season of months so it encourages panic buying out of FOMO. I'm not remotely a range rover driving, iPhone having, nanny employing person, but I do draw the line at wear it once clothes and make my high street clothes last literally years.

Same here.

When you reach the high moral ground, there is often a long dangerous fall.

Why? Sticking to your ethics is not ‘reaching the moral high ground.’
I don’t want or need a beautiful cheap dress enough to buy one made by miserable kids in sweatshops. I wish more people thought like that.

And it’s not just Shein, it’s loads of companies. But I’m happy to have fewer clothes that people aren’t dying and having shit lives to make.

Any reasonable person reading that should think ‘yeah, great. No argument there.’ But if your response is defensive, then maybe you should have a think why.

No one NEEDS lots of lovely cheap clothes. No one.

I find those with a judgy and often angry attitude ARE moral high grounders. They just love to criticise other people's choices. Buying from Shein is not illegal is it?

If it is so bad maybe our Government should ban imports of their goods. That would be a good signpost, since reasons would have to be given.

I would leave people alone. I was just reading a thread on Style and Beauty and the number of posts showing cheap "dupes" (knockoffs) of expensive dresses made me wonder what is different about that, other than the dupes were being sold in high street stores and online.

But each to their own, you can be morally superior and not buy from Shein, that's your choice, but when a hectoring lecturing snooty angry tone comes into it, then no one will listen.

Defensive then.

What are the arguments for buying sweatshop clothes made by poor people?

I'm not remotely a range rover driving, iPhone having, nanny employing person, but I do draw the line at wear it once clothes and make my high street clothes last literally years.

surely no one actually wears those things once though? I make the few items I’ve ordered from SHEIN last as long as anything else. Let’s not pretend that new look and primark are hugely morally superior. So if you keep the things from SHEIN and order maybe once a year, whilst still wearing the things from last year I don’t see how anyone’s the better person for buying from the high street. 🤷‍♀️. None are great, but sometimes necessary.

I ordered a handbag for my DD. I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting much, and the delay in delivery didn't do much to dispell my lack of confidence. But the bag when it eventually arrived was perfect and I was very happy with it.

I've never bought from them as I like to try clothes on before I buy but I was reading about them and saw this which I thought was interesting and I wasn't aware of at all:

‘The fashion industry is responsible for ten per cent of global carbon emissions – more than international flights and maritime shipping combined. If the industry continues on its current path, by 2050 it could use more than 26 per cent of the carbon budget associated with a two-degrees celsius [climate change limit] pathway. That is over a quarter of the world’s carbon budget.’

Hit and miss, but I've had better luck than with ASOS

Check the reviews and measure yourself/ check sizing.
The sizing do vary from item to item, but the items are true to the size advertised.
The reviews are useful for description of material and ones with photo are useful to see how they look in real life.
I have bought quite a lot from them items wash well.

If you want to wholeheartedly support exploitation and slavery go for it. Let’s go child labour force, let’s go!

So you'd be OK with not having any income at all to feed your children, keep a roof over their heads or have some soap? Not attending interviews or work because you'd rather be naked than buy the only clothes you could afford (and still only then if you blob the rent or gas bill in the hope that you'll have some money coming in at the end of next month) would mean getting sanctioned by UC.

Or is it more 'well, I can afford to make a ridiculous comment like this because my husband pays the mortgage and bills/I have plenty of savings and work suitable clothes in my wardrobe already, so I refuse to accept that anybody could possibly be unable to afford £350 on kitting themselves out from scratch?

There have been threads on here before when posters have absolutely laid into those who use Primark. And as I said at that point, we couldn't afford to go searching for a charity shop open after I'd finished work in order to magically happen upon a jacket, shirt, tie, shoes and trousers in a 32 extra short/size 6 men's for DP so he could arrive at an interview for a job in a professional setting not looking like he'd fallen out of a rag recycling van. His jeans were over ten years old, his t-shirts were over 8, he'd never had a job where office wear was expected. But we could go to Primark and use the money that would have gone on the gas DD to get all of those things by ten to six, ready for 7.03am when he had to catch the bus to travel to the place that actually employed him.

This year, it's not an issue. But it's taken four years to get to the point at which I can buy from wherever I want - something that would never have happened were it not for him getting that job, especially because the continued next to bugger all income we were living on (£1100 a month for two people) meant that I was genuinely threatened with not passing probation because my clothes and shoes were worn out.

I made this point earlier but I'll repeat it. I can absolutely understand why some circumstances might make the occasional purchase from the worst of these retailers necessary, but that is not the same as people en masse deciding that FOMO and following Instagram influencers matters more than ethical concerns. Surely there's a middle ground where we can appreciate the unfortunate and really desperate circumstances of some while condemning the MASS consumerism that drives these business?

Oh, yes, those bastions of respectability that also sell items made in sweatshops. Adidas, Disney, ASOS, H&M, Nike, Primark, Uniqlo, Zara, M&S, Ralph Lauren, Skechers, Next, Lululemon...

The only objection here is that they're getting the same articles for less because of the absence of physical shops. Stick another thirty quid on top for the same item and as long as it comes from a desirable brand, it's fine.

I wouldn’t knowingly shop anywhere that uses sweatshops.
Vinted, eBay and Facebook are all places you can get quality brands very cheap, and that’s before we start on the many ethical stores available.