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Anyone watching the Grand National?

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PinkLemonadee · 15/04/2023 17:06

Just put it on to see protesters being dragged off the track. Feel bad for the horses in the ring, it looks warm and there's so many people about.

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kikisparks · 15/04/2023 19:55

RIP Dark Raven, Envoye Special and Hill Sixteen. You bet, they die.

MissMaple82 · 15/04/2023 19:56

Fun fun fun for the self absorbed idiots.

Anyone watching the Grand National?
Suzi888 · 15/04/2023 19:56

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^ Yeah that.

Don’t you have anything better to watch than animals being flogged? There’s probably a nice programme on horse evisceration you may would be interested in 🙄

“Instead of protesting about probably the best looked after Horses in the world.”

Who die an horrific death? Erm ok….

Don’t agree with the protestors if it’s harmed the animals even further, but mn doesn’t give a shit about animal cruelty in any form as a rule.

Also- can’t stand gambling.

foxlover47 · 15/04/2023 19:56

And of course there are some great racehorse rehomers doing their best to find them homes after racing
But not enough

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 15/04/2023 19:57

billysboy · 15/04/2023 18:42

a lot of pony and trap racing going on the A413 at the moment which is happening every weekend , no protesters about those poor ponies being hammered up and down the road week week or even police !

We have that near me. The police have taken so many cars and spend all weekend sitting by the dual carriageways.

foxlover47 · 15/04/2023 19:57

kikisparks · 15/04/2023 19:55

RIP Dark Raven, Envoye Special and Hill Sixteen. You bet, they die.

Absolutely heartbreaking and needless just so everyone can dress up and have a fun day out , or put a few quid on a each way bet

powershowerforanhour · 15/04/2023 19:57

"This is what it looks like - literally run to death. WARNING DISTRESSING FOOTAGE"

That is almost certainly a cardiac arrthymia. Happens to humans of all ages - often on the sports field but also when just going about their business- and also cats including, not uncommonly, youngish domestic shorthair "moggy" cats. You can see the rest of the field lobbing along in the video on the first circuit, it wasn't the business end of the race and they weren't going flat out by any means.

It looks pretty shocking (and in cats, can be very distressing for them, I've seen it happen a couple of times) but basically humans drop dead like that all the time, it's not the worst way to go.

ZeroWorshipHere · 15/04/2023 19:58

Instructionmanual · 15/04/2023 18:26

I've been involved with horses all my life. My partner and I have 6 at the current time, two we bred ourselves.

What's wrong with racing?
Horses don't fully mature physically until they are 5, ideally 6 years old. (If you want a reference for that Google Dr Deb Bennett Ranger article). Racehorses are broken (I use the word advisedly) as two year olds. In fact, because their "official birthdays" are January 1st they can be younger than that. At that age the growth plates in their skeleton have not closed up. Physically they are not mature. We know not to over-exercise puppies, but it's OK with baby racehorses. They are so young they don't even have full tails.
Horses are naturally herd animals, needing physical company and contact with others, freedom to run and forage. Racehorses spend most, if not all of their day shut in the stable. Yes, by human terms they are treated like royalty - fed the best, washed and polished, given the right rugs and lovely bedding. By horse terms that's cruelty. Many respond by developing stable "vices" (in the zoos they call it zoochosis, but it a stable it's OK). They sway, lock their teeth on hard surfaces and gulp, they box walk... you get the picture. Often V shaped grills are put up at their doors to stop them swaying from foot to foot in the doorway (it's called weaving). Others are said to love their stables because they spend a lot of time sleeping or just standing - that's not love, that's shutdown. I've worked with a lot of ex racers, they all, literally all, had some sort of gut problems because of the stable stress and probably lack of movement and natural foraging. That means hind gut issues or ulcers. At the age of two maybe.
There is massive wastage in the racing industry. Just Google it for yourself. Wastage means dead horses, which can be before they even start training.
I heard someone on the radio saying the horse must love it or they wouldn't do it. That's bollocks, they do it because they've been trained to do it and are being pushed along by the jockey.
Someone else said they love it because if they lose their jockey they keep galloping and jumping. Racehorses in a race are operating in a state of high tension. When horses are stressed and adrenalin filled they crave the safety of the herd. So of course they keep running and jumping, they need to stay with the others. This is why we have seen racehorses desperately carrying on with a broken leg.
Of course the people who own and look after these animals love them. But if you truly love an animal then ignorance is no excuse for treating them like this. I often think that if horses vocalised in the same way that dogs do they wouldn't be subjected to half the crap that they are.
What happens when a racehorse retires? If they are lucky they end up being re-trained for regular riding and with a kind owner. Their dodgy guts are medicated. Their crap hooves are looked after properly and recover from their early shoeing and long periods stabled.
For others the picture is not so rosy. Even the Queen couldn't give a stuff about what happened to her horses after racing, unless they were being bred of course. It's know that one of her National winners was found abandoned in field in a sorry state. Another was discovered going through a French race followed by auction. That means the fast ones go on to keep racing, the others go for meat.
I do not agree with what the protesters did, but honestly something needs to be done to raise the standards of how horses are expected to be kept and used. Raising the age racehorses are allowed to race to maybe 4 years old would be a start. But their owners won't want to pay for their keep for that long.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue the toss about this. I know the next thing will be people piling in to say I don't know what I'm talking about, but I do. I did grunt work at a racing stable as a youngster, and thought it was wonderful. Education is a great thing and changed my view completely. Because I'm not going to argue about it, this will be another name change I guess. 😂

Great post

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 19:58

MissMaple82 · 15/04/2023 19:56

Fun fun fun for the self absorbed idiots.

@PinkLemonadee @Florenz please can you justify this?

SomethingInTheOrange · 15/04/2023 19:58

Scouserlicious · 15/04/2023 19:46

Locals now helping the police get rid of the protesters

I had to laugh at this. I grew up 1 mile away from the Aintree racecourse and have been to more nationals than I can remember. Scousers are very passionate about it. Also, Aintree is not a place full of snowflakes. They will be apoplectic with rage, believe me.

I have visions of middle-class ex-private school 20-somethings getting the shock of their life when an angry Scouser comes out "helping the police get rid of the protesters" and they are dragged away by their hair whilst the police stand by and let them. Also, nice to see the police carrying them away, in contrast, to how spineless London police deal with them.

The ones helping the police just sound rough. I’ve seen photos and one of the men is a man that beats his wife. (Allegedly, cough, cough) Nice guy, eh? I wouldn’t sound quite so proud. Just another thug who likes being violent. Any excuse.

IClaudine · 15/04/2023 19:59

@Suzi888 yes very good point, gambling is a curse that ruins human lives as well as equine lives.

Rosewaterblues · 15/04/2023 19:59

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 19:31

I have 30+ years of owning ex-racers. You ate aware that only a tiny % of ex-racers get re-homed but 100s are live exported for meat to the continent.
Of course every unavoidable horse death is a tragedy but I meant when competing, not field accidents etc.
The TB will never go extinct, it is highly sought after in endurance, Eventing etc so that is a ridiculous comment. All that would happen is better breeding which can only be a good thing.

All horses are expensive, irrespective of breed.
I know that the lads and lasses who cate for racers love them but it is undeniable that they are kept in unnatural environments hence why 90% of racers have ulcers not to mention kissing spines/SI issues etc

My point is that when the University of Liverpool produced their study, that accidents at pasture were equivalent or more than those in the field.

I’m sorry but no way will the relatively minority sports of eventing and endurance be enough to sustain the thousands of breeding lines of thoroughbreds that go back hundreds of years. And racing is the only sport where thoroughbreds participate exclusively. The majority of tho would go extinct along with immense human knowledge and skill. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to say that at all.

And I think the latest figures for gastric ulcers is that 25-50% of all foals everywhere are susceptible , which of course is a very bad thing, but the overall awareness of environment, gastric ulcers, stress, skeletal development, retraining etc, is all growing exponentially in the industry, as it is I might add in all other equine disciplines.

And sorry but nowadays I don’t think a racehorse’s life is any less natural than thousands of outgrown hairy ponies and cobs which stand in the corner of the same small field every day without any environmental enrichment or interest at all and which only get visited by their owners once a day if that.

foxlover47 · 15/04/2023 20:00

@Scouserlicious why would you assume animal protesters have to be ex private school ? Do you think anti hunt sabs , anti vivisection protesters are all posh because let me assure you that you're completely wrong on that

Cherryblossoms85 · 15/04/2023 20:01

I forgot as usual.

BuntyFayreweather · 15/04/2023 20:02

I grew up in a racing family. My siblings and I hated the jump races. Very rarely no horse was shot. They are pack animals that will run for their master (watch the unseated, they want to run) but I don't bet, I don't go to the races anymore and I even have an issue riding. We need to stop treating animals like this. The insurance industry will only pay out if a horse is shot, blame those bastards too please. They are not interested in medical solutions for broken legs etc. It's disgusting.

FranksOcean · 15/04/2023 20:02

Florenz · 15/04/2023 17:27

Why don't the people who hate horse racing just not watch it, attend it or bet on it?

They don’t obviously! Most pointless comment on this thread !

IClaudine · 15/04/2023 20:03

@Instructionmanual thank you for a really informative post.

foxlover47 · 15/04/2023 20:03

@Rosewaterblues

"And sorry but nowadays I don’t think a racehorse’s life is any less natural than thousands of outgrown hairy ponies and cobs which stand in the corner of the same small field every day without any environmental enrichment or interest at all and which only get visited by their owners once a day if that"
Them hairy cobs and ponies get the choice to free roam and forage 24/7
Much better for them than being stabled 24/7 and only out for excercise

Tealsofa · 15/04/2023 20:04

IClaudine · 15/04/2023 19:51

Yeah, I can't see the logic either. Can we only care about things we have personal experience of?

Careful, you'll be called facetious....

Inkypinkee · 15/04/2023 20:05

I saw a race horse owner tie his horse to the back of his van and drag it over the gravel at great speed, all for an insurance payout, as the horse was slow. It’s more than what goes on at the track that is a problem.

RIP todays racers.

strawberrysunrise · 15/04/2023 20:06

There are some thick ignorant people out there.

It''s a barbaric race, end of.

Rosewaterblues · 15/04/2023 20:06

IClaudine · 15/04/2023 19:46

A strong but fragile animal that can get injured jumping about in a field. So the sensible thing to do to make it gallop at speed and jump over fences/hurdles, alongside other galloping animal?

Exactly.

By running fast a horse is doing what nature intended it to do (especially Arabs and thoroughbreds). A horse is a prey animal which means it was designed to run in short bursts just fast and far enough to get away from a predator. And racing has enhanced that natural tendency. Just as dressage had enhances the short steps a stallion makes when coming from speed to a standstill and approaching and herding his mares.

FranksOcean · 15/04/2023 20:06

Florenz · 15/04/2023 18:33

It's a shame but at least he died doing something he loved. Unlike most other animals that die.

Are you a troll? Surely you can’t be serious

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 20:07

Rosewaterblues · 15/04/2023 19:59

My point is that when the University of Liverpool produced their study, that accidents at pasture were equivalent or more than those in the field.

I’m sorry but no way will the relatively minority sports of eventing and endurance be enough to sustain the thousands of breeding lines of thoroughbreds that go back hundreds of years. And racing is the only sport where thoroughbreds participate exclusively. The majority of tho would go extinct along with immense human knowledge and skill. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to say that at all.

And I think the latest figures for gastric ulcers is that 25-50% of all foals everywhere are susceptible , which of course is a very bad thing, but the overall awareness of environment, gastric ulcers, stress, skeletal development, retraining etc, is all growing exponentially in the industry, as it is I might add in all other equine disciplines.

And sorry but nowadays I don’t think a racehorse’s life is any less natural than thousands of outgrown hairy ponies and cobs which stand in the corner of the same small field every day without any environmental enrichment or interest at all and which only get visited by their owners once a day if that.

The issue is that too many TBs are bred for racing, we need to breed fewer but better and ending racing would enable that to happen.
There is a lot to be done with Equine welfare across the board but ulcers don't occur in domestic horses at a rate of 90% like they do in racing. Racing also produces horses with stereotypical behaviours and although other domestic horses can develop these, they overwhelmingly occur in racehorses in training.
There are some more enlightened trainers nowadays but they are in the monitory and to say that it is better to keep a horse stabled for 23 hours a day with a low fibre/high energy feed and little or no interaction with other horses is just blatantly wrong.
Obviously racing is an enormous industry and with the money involved I can't see it ever being abolished however there are major welfare issues and there is a need to address the number of unwanted racers per year.
The live export issue is horrific and reducing the breeding would help with this massively. No horse deserves that fate!!

pussycatinfluffyslippers · 15/04/2023 20:09

I've "touched" racehorses...
I've owned shares in more than one.
I've seen one give birth.
I've had a mare lean on me whilst drugged up to the eyeballs, trying to save her foal.
I've bottle fed her foal.

I think Aintree and the BHA have made massive mistakes over the last few years:

  1. Moving the race from the 1st Saturday in April means the weather is too warm and the going is too firm (the firmer the going the more injuries you will see) and the track has had to be watered, inspite of all the rain this week;
  2. Changing the fences from the much more testing "drop" fences which means less capable horses are now entered and are running of a more competitive, lower handicap mark;
  3. The "run-off" areas which are supposed to help catch and restrain any loose horses - they don't work - many are tarmac or full of equipment/people. Search for what happened to Synchronised.
  4. Use of the whip - and not just in this race, or at this meeting. There should be a total ban. You would intervene if somebody hit a child infront of you, wouldn't you?

I gave up on horseracing years ago. Too many fatalities.
I love the animals. They're so trusting, yet nervous and gentle, yet fragile. They have a smell all of their own - although heavily perfumed with carrot or mints if I'm around.

I don't blame those protesting today for causing some distress to the horses thad did run.
They were doing it for a reason.
And a good one.

Two racehorses died at Aintree today. Did any of the racegoers bat an eyelid? not many I suspect. For a lot of them the racing was a side show.

That is why I hate what horseracing has become. A day out "On the Lash" with a sideshow of racing.

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