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Anyone watching the Grand National?

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PinkLemonadee · 15/04/2023 17:06

Just put it on to see protesters being dragged off the track. Feel bad for the horses in the ring, it looks warm and there's so many people about.

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DrPrunesqualler · 15/04/2023 19:15

For those on here who care
See AnimalAid website ( article) attached, there’s more you could do to stop the cruelty
And PETA

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Anyone watching the Grand National?
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Prescottdanni123 · 15/04/2023 19:16

@Rosula

So they say. There is no telling what they might have done in the heat of the moment.

The point still stands that the delays can't have helped matters. Saying "Well the horses would have already been stressed" isn't a valid argument. Being made even more stressed than they already are never helps anyone, especially highly strung animals like horses

DrPrunesqualler · 15/04/2023 19:17

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twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 19:19

BeetleBailey · 15/04/2023 19:09

Did any horses die this year?

Over 220 horses die every year on UK racecourses

Lavenderlaze · 15/04/2023 19:19

PinkLemonadee · 15/04/2023 17:11

They claim animal rights but seem to have no consideration for the actual animals involved. I knew a women who protested racing but lived in the middle of London and had never even touched a horse.

Sorry, do you need to have/live near horses to object to cruel practices?

FoxFeatures · 15/04/2023 19:21

It now looks like 3 have died. I hope all those who think this race is acceptable think long and hard about this. Because it isn't fucking acceptable.

Rhondaa · 15/04/2023 19:22

Lavenderlaze · 15/04/2023 19:19

Sorry, do you need to have/live near horses to object to cruel practices?

Yes it's a very strange argument. I've never met a fox but I object to fox hunting too.

malapast · 15/04/2023 19:22

3 horses dead barbaric sport and truly the sport of kings. Hats off to the protestors.

FlossyRossy · 15/04/2023 19:22

Three horses dead? Out of how many? I mean that’s outrageous. Even if you enjoy horse racing how is this acceptable ?

Rhondaa · 15/04/2023 19:23

FoxFeatures · 15/04/2023 19:21

It now looks like 3 have died. I hope all those who think this race is acceptable think long and hard about this. Because it isn't fucking acceptable.

It's disgusting isn't it. All the pictures in the news of people dressed up to go. Wtf if wrong with people.

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 19:24

Florenz · 15/04/2023 19:04

What argument? Most people like horse racing. The grand national is the most popular race of the year. Some people don't like it. But they are a small minority.

Honestly, the best way to get rid of horse racing is to promote other sports to take attention and revenue away from it. Not to try and ban something that is wildly popular.

Or we can try to educate people like yourself who have no interest in the welfare of horses as long as they win them some money.
It is only through education that we will move forwards.
There are plenty of other high profile Equestrian disciplines if you take more than 2 mins to research so it isn't a lack of options. It obviously comes down to money.

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 19:25

FoxFeatures · 15/04/2023 19:21

It now looks like 3 have died. I hope all those who think this race is acceptable think long and hard about this. Because it isn't fucking acceptable.

They won't care and the comments by @PinkLemonadee and @Florenz prove that. They have zero interest in the well being of horses

vera99 · 15/04/2023 19:25

I heard a horse lover who looks after ex racehorses and said they have loads of problems with joints, their bodies - they are basically run into the ground and then discarded. Animal lovers they are not.

Rosewaterblues · 15/04/2023 19:25

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 18:39

Nope no horse death is acceptable. Deaths on roads are due to careless or aggressive drivers and lack of public off road riding
Very few deaths occur in arenas.
Deats around a XC are unacceptable but Eventing is reviewing this yet again.
The fact remains that racing contributes to over 220 deaths per year in UK, far higher than any other discipline plus the issue of unwanted racehorses being live exported for meat.

I’m sorry but the stance “no horse death is acceptable” is just not realistic, however much we would want that. I grew up with horses and have horses now and they get injured when they are just loafing about in a field, or playing with another horse.

Just last month one of my neighbour’s horses sustained a navicular injury in the field that meant it had to be put down. It was living its life happy in retirement, looked after beautifully by its owner, with no demands put upon it at all. Unfortunately many domestic horses sustain injury at pasture, not because they are being kept poorly, but because they are at one and the same time strong but fragile beings.

And horses which are wild and undomesticated do not live a particularly injury free life either. I visited wild herds in Argentina when I was younger and many of them were half starved, fly-bitten, hobbling on a horrible injury. I was horrified at the state of some of them.

Thoroughbreds are special athletes. They have been bred for speed. They have a heart the size of a football, and if you laid out their lungs flat they would cover the size of a football field. They even have a supercharger function when running fast that allows extra blood cells from the spleen to be released in to the blood stream to allow them to run faster. I don’t think there is anything wrong with an animal doing what it is bred to do for hundreds of years, as long as welfare standards are good and are improving year on year, which they are. Many trainers now offer good turnout and holidays and the average racehorse does not go to the track very often in its life and it lives a pretty good life among other horses in between time with high quality feed, and excellent veterinary care.

If you have ridden race horses you will know that in reality you don’t often have difficulty getting these beautiful creatures to move; it’s very much the case that you have problems stopping them running or bringing them to a halt.

Of course there are improvements to be made in all areas of equine sport as our understanding of equine science improves and develops and those improvements are being made. Racing is perhaps the last area to develop because it’s always been run by a very traditional realm of the establishment. In the main though, the folk that work in racing genuinely care about horses. There are always one or two bad apples but the majority want the best for their charges. Honestly, you hardly go in to it for the money nowadays; it’s more of a vocation to care for animals 24/7 in all weathers and not an easy life at all.

If racing gets banned then ultimately the beautiful creature that is the thoroughbred will go extinct, like the way the Suffolk Punch is going now. They are too expensive just to keep for fun and without race courses and gallops there will be virtually nowhere except the odd beach where they could run free. I don’t think it’s wrong for an animal that’s capable of galloping at 30 miles a hour and has been domesticated for thousands of years to have a job, exercise it’s limbs and muscles that have been designed for doors, and work alongside man as it always has, as long as welfare standards continue to improve as they are doing.

So many ex race horses now are being trained for other disciplines and the RoR do fantastic work in this area.

dawngreen · 15/04/2023 19:25

There is a difference between tripping up, and breaking a leg, to been whipped to do jumps with a heavy load on its back. That's not care.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 15/04/2023 19:26

Enfys1982 · 15/04/2023 17:16

Two horses have already died this week at Aintree. One only this afternoon. It’s fucking cruel and people need to wake up. The irony of worrying about the horses in the paddock but being forced over Beachers Brook is laughable.

I agree with you. It makes me feel sick. It's all about the money.

FoxFeatures · 15/04/2023 19:27

Absolutely @Janiie

vera99 · 15/04/2023 19:27

And all the gambling that goes on as if that is a good thing.

HorseRacingIsABloodSport · 15/04/2023 19:28

RIP Sixteen Hill, Dark Raven and Envoye Special.
No horse should be raced to its death 💔🐎

Anyone watching the Grand National?
Anyone watching the Grand National?
Anyone watching the Grand National?
SirChenjins · 15/04/2023 19:28

@Rosewaterblues have you seen @Instructionmanual ‘s earlier post? She’s worked in the industry and explains what’s wrong with it and the way the horses are treated.

DrPrunesqualler · 15/04/2023 19:29

That’s 3 more horses killed

That’s just in the Grand National and just this year.
Hundreds if you look at all the races they are forced to take part in.

Horse racing is the only place you are legally allowed to beat an animal.
Please take a stand MN.
Write to your MPs, sign petitions.

twistyizzy · 15/04/2023 19:31

Rosewaterblues · 15/04/2023 19:25

I’m sorry but the stance “no horse death is acceptable” is just not realistic, however much we would want that. I grew up with horses and have horses now and they get injured when they are just loafing about in a field, or playing with another horse.

Just last month one of my neighbour’s horses sustained a navicular injury in the field that meant it had to be put down. It was living its life happy in retirement, looked after beautifully by its owner, with no demands put upon it at all. Unfortunately many domestic horses sustain injury at pasture, not because they are being kept poorly, but because they are at one and the same time strong but fragile beings.

And horses which are wild and undomesticated do not live a particularly injury free life either. I visited wild herds in Argentina when I was younger and many of them were half starved, fly-bitten, hobbling on a horrible injury. I was horrified at the state of some of them.

Thoroughbreds are special athletes. They have been bred for speed. They have a heart the size of a football, and if you laid out their lungs flat they would cover the size of a football field. They even have a supercharger function when running fast that allows extra blood cells from the spleen to be released in to the blood stream to allow them to run faster. I don’t think there is anything wrong with an animal doing what it is bred to do for hundreds of years, as long as welfare standards are good and are improving year on year, which they are. Many trainers now offer good turnout and holidays and the average racehorse does not go to the track very often in its life and it lives a pretty good life among other horses in between time with high quality feed, and excellent veterinary care.

If you have ridden race horses you will know that in reality you don’t often have difficulty getting these beautiful creatures to move; it’s very much the case that you have problems stopping them running or bringing them to a halt.

Of course there are improvements to be made in all areas of equine sport as our understanding of equine science improves and develops and those improvements are being made. Racing is perhaps the last area to develop because it’s always been run by a very traditional realm of the establishment. In the main though, the folk that work in racing genuinely care about horses. There are always one or two bad apples but the majority want the best for their charges. Honestly, you hardly go in to it for the money nowadays; it’s more of a vocation to care for animals 24/7 in all weathers and not an easy life at all.

If racing gets banned then ultimately the beautiful creature that is the thoroughbred will go extinct, like the way the Suffolk Punch is going now. They are too expensive just to keep for fun and without race courses and gallops there will be virtually nowhere except the odd beach where they could run free. I don’t think it’s wrong for an animal that’s capable of galloping at 30 miles a hour and has been domesticated for thousands of years to have a job, exercise it’s limbs and muscles that have been designed for doors, and work alongside man as it always has, as long as welfare standards continue to improve as they are doing.

So many ex race horses now are being trained for other disciplines and the RoR do fantastic work in this area.

I have 30+ years of owning ex-racers. You ate aware that only a tiny % of ex-racers get re-homed but 100s are live exported for meat to the continent.
Of course every unavoidable horse death is a tragedy but I meant when competing, not field accidents etc.
The TB will never go extinct, it is highly sought after in endurance, Eventing etc so that is a ridiculous comment. All that would happen is better breeding which can only be a good thing.

All horses are expensive, irrespective of breed.
I know that the lads and lasses who cate for racers love them but it is undeniable that they are kept in unnatural environments hence why 90% of racers have ulcers not to mention kissing spines/SI issues etc

malapast · 15/04/2023 19:31

This is what it looks like - literally run to death. WARNING DISTRESSING FOOTAGE

Racing horse death by accident in Galway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lilToEjzrv4

Salome61 · 15/04/2023 19:32

I don't agree with racing horses, greyhounds, or any other animal for human entertainment.

mydogisthebest · 15/04/2023 19:33

Florenz · 15/04/2023 17:55

They don't care one jot about horses. They just do it for attention, to feed their egos, to try to give their pathetic lives some meaning.

The only pathetic people are the ones who enjoy seeing horses being abused. Such beautiful animals deserve better.

Particularly pathetic are the ones who go to the race. All those chavs thinking they look so good when a lot of them look cheap and trashy. They get so drunk and just look like total twats. They are the ones whose lives have no meaning.

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