Another baby killed by parents TW details of abuse.

[AgrathaChristie]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/14/parents-who-burned-and-beat-baby-son-days-before-his-death-are-guilty-of-murder-18613694/

why? Why did they want the baby back with them if all they were interested in was drug use? Please can someone explain to me why they go to court to then go on to kill their child.
RIP Finley.

I can’t understand why they were given back the baby. Poor little boy, this is evil. 😢🤬

My heart hurts everytime one of these is reported. Rest in peace little Finley.

Social Services are almost as much to blame as the parents in this case. They should never have returned him.

Yes, easy to say with the benefit of hindsight, but this has happened too much in recent years...

Because it is our right to have our son live with us.

No the Family Court are to blame.

SS are to blame for not insisting on seeing him.

However we don't know how the Court Order was worded.

There must have been significant concerns to be taken away so young. What possible justification could there be to return him so quickly.

It's time and time again. Same story over and over again.

Why did they want him back?
Probably the additional £ eg child benefit. If they were on UC then they would get more. Drug addicts want money for their fix more than anything in the world.

Family Court and Social Services then, Reugny, if you want to be precise...

RIP Little Finley. You deserved better than this. Everyone who should and could have protected you in your short life failed you. 😥

Hadn’t even thought of that ☹️

Social services don’t decide if a child is returned, social services did not support the decision of the courts.

We don't know how the Court order to hand him back to his parents was worded.

Also other newspapers make it clear that while the local social services provision is regarded as "Good" individual social workers have too many cases so are unable to deal with complex cases.

How do you know that for a fact please, Simonjt? Or are you speaking generally?

The family courts have 2 damaging obsessions

1. it is best for children to be with their parents
2. it is best for children to have contact with their fathers.

these are true where there is no abuse or neglect, but the obsession means that children are being abused and dying.

if instead the general principle was “addicts make poor parents” then Finlay would have been removed and birth and adopted by a loving family.

I hope these 2 suffer in prison. Really suffer. And I hope the judge who returned him to them is tormented by their decision.

Social Services did not kill this poor child. His parents killed him.

The people working in Social Services are there because they are trying to make a difference. Yes, mistakes are made. But at least social workers are putting themselves out there trying to help, not sitting at their keyboards typing out phrases such as 'Social Services are almost as much to blame as the parents in this case'. This is beyond contempt. How are social workers almost as much to blame as the parents who battered this child to death?

I am leaving this thread now because I am too angry to continue reading it.

It is a general fact in public law cases.

The Family Court makes the ruling and the social services have to abide.

There are a lot of details in the Daily Mail report. Seemingly the mother made a lot of internet searches and sent text messages about being abused by the father and needing domestic help support. I wish she'd had the courage to leave. I'm surprised she's been found guilty of murder as opposed to allowing the death of a child. poor baby.

Thank you @IncompleteSenten
A friend who was a SW told me parents often have multiple children removed but keep getting pregnant because they believe “it’ll be ok this time”
Money seems to be the driving force here.
Pure evil. I hope they eventually rot in hell.

RIP sweet baby rest safely in heaven.

Exactly @JeanBodel
Maybe those who slag off social workers should go and train and do the job themselves if they could do so much better.

RIP Finley.

They breached bail by being intimidate with one another and sent each other valentines cards.

Literally nowhere near. One didn't do their job properly, one beat their child to death. They are not the same thing

The article posted states;

"October 1: Despite concerns from social services, a family court orders that Finley be returned to his parents within eight weeks. However, the parents are not ordered to test for drug use."

Social workers must follow court orders - they have no power here to prevent this tragic death. They are doing their best in the face of funding cuts, lockdown enabling families to hide from services, unsafe case loads.

They are not to blame here.

Rest in peace Finley ❤️

In my opinion, Social Services and the Family Courts are almost as much to blame as the parents in every single one of these cases.
I have thought that for years, since I was a child myself, and I do not see anything changing my opinion.

Only being able to do so much to protect a child is NOT good enough.

IF the State have to get involved in removing children, they should be held far more accountable than they are, for providing and ensuring those children have a better, safer life than if they had stayed with their parents. That is what those children are entitled to and yet too many people think it's ok to not move heaven and earth to ensure this is happening!
We all know that the outcomes for care-leavers are disgracefully below where they should be, with no accountability.

The courts/social services/ society got this wrong by and a baby has paid with their life.

Just looking at the state of the home tells you these aren’t people coping with life.

Not quite the same story... I was surprised by this one as it looks like they are both the biological parents, which seems to be pretty rare. There is nearly always a stepparent involved, usually but not always the father.

Horrendous of course regardless of the circumstances. It's unfathomable.