Another baby killed by parents TW details of abuse.

[AgrathaChristie]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/14/parents-who-burned-and-beat-baby-son-days-before-his-death-are-guilty-of-murder-18613694/

why? Why did they want the baby back with them if all they were interested in was drug use? Please can someone explain to me why they go to court to then go on to kill their child.
RIP Finley.

This really shook me. That poor little boy knew nothing but fear, pain and distress in his short life. My heart hurts so much.

This happened near to where I live and I have had dealings with the very same social services. All I can say is that it is not surprising they allowed the child to go back home as they are so unbelievably incompetent, do not look at evidence, cannot recognise abuse and by their own admission, have no training regarding parental alienation.

It was the Family Court in this case who ordered the baby to be returned to his parents within 8 weeks with no drug testing.

Social Services wanted a 6 month transition period.

So blame the Family Court judge NOT social services.

It's a pity the pair of them can't be medically 'fixed' so no other poor baby can ever go through the hell Finley did. That's a polite version of what I'd rather happened.

Pieces of shit like this never seem to kill themselves off with their drugs.Both are a waste of skin and oxygen.

Unfortunately, we as a society now have to look after these bastards.

Hope if there are any drug withdrawal symptoms, they are very long and very painful.

@billyt unfortunately as the mother is 22 she will likely come out still fertile.

How many of those bleeding hearts supported lockdowns. Social services refusing to come out in person because they were so awfully important and paid to stay at home whereas cashiers or security guards in Tesco being coughed on by thousands of people a day didn't matter and had to carry on, since they were not paid to stay at home.
Everyone who supported lockdowns is liable for what happened to the most vulnerable people in society - children.
In just the first 6 months of the shitshow there was a 25% increase of reported incidents of harm and abuse to children and probably much higher in reality and you would have had to be extremely naive to expect any different. Selfish and vile.

That's my concern.

@Reugny I blame the family court judge also. Social services still wanted to send the child back but just with a longer transition period so they bear some responsibility for this. Courts usually work off social workers recommendations.

Supporting lockdowns does not make anyone liable for the murder of this poor child. What a ridiculous statement to make.

It was all about getting money for those evil parents. I know of parents who had a child in care who used to go get the bus fare from SS to visit their child in foster care and would use it to buy drugs rather than visit.

I have never understood this obsession. A close relative is a social worker and she told me that she has been involved in cases where children are left in homes with drug addicted parents because separating a child from a parent is a trauma that has long lasting consequences (as if living with a crack addicted mother isn’t traumatic) and the care system is not fit for purpose. So the parents are offered ‘support’, therapy and parenting classes instead even when it is clear they are unfit to care for a child. It is very sad.

Whilst they are clearly baby killing fucking scum, whoever in Family Court decided this baby should go to his parents is culpable in his death. Reading the time line, it's clear SS were trying to get access. I imagine the will be an investigation and next time that social worker will escalate quicker. But he shouldn't have been there!

I hope they rot in jail. If ever there cause for compulsory sterilisation, it's this

This is another horrendously sad story. I've had multiple experiences where parents have been favoured at the expense of their children who ended up suffering massively.
I sort of understand the rationale but it's absolutely heartbreaking to watch.
I also keep wondering about the family who cared for this baby from birth (no mention of them) but they must be absolutely heartbroken.

YYY to everything you say here.

I'd like to add that there was ample evidence that this man had for abusive rage. The timeline in the article mentions holes punched in doors in the home, noticed by a social worker, while Marsden was still pregnant.

The discounting of male violence by
the family courts is typical of a society that does not question male privilege and it needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency.

This baby suffered vicious attacks which were completely predictable.

@fairywhale I worked for social care and continued visiting throughout lockdown thanks.
I’m not a SW but worked with children with disabilities.
Fuck off with your generalisations.

...this man had form for...

I will add - many of whom were extremely vulnerable for various reasons

SS are damned if they do and damned if they don't in this type of situation. They did try and see that baby and were turned away at the door as 'the baby was ill.' It's all very well to say SS should have demanded to go in but imagine a mum in here saying 'we got our baby back and have been trying our best, our baby is loved and looked after but the SW practically barged past me to wake up my sleeping child.' Everyone would be shocked and appalled that SWs were overstepping in that way.

That baby should not have been returned by the family court but at the same time if all children for whom there was a slight concern were kept in care forever more there would be an outcry that parents who were trying to change weren't being given the option to look after their own children.

I'm a foster carer and I feel for that poor baby but also for the foster carer who probably loved him from birth and who had him taken away against SS advice and who will have been devastated by what has happened to what was essentially his/her child.

That poor, poor baby.

This will keep happening over and over until the system in the UK is changed.

But another thread will be how evil social workers won't return their child. Don't blame social workers for working with a broken system starting with nowhere near enough suitable foster placements and also how people who would be excellent adopters are not interested in children that are not biologically theirs (because these children come with all kinds of history is the reason given but they need good parents, they didn't ask to be born).

It's a desperately sad situation, but us keyboard warriors aren't signing up to care for these children are we? The courts try to reunite families partly because multiple foster placements really isn't enough

In our local authority social workers still completed visits during lockdowns. Speaking as a foster carer.

Money. They get benefit money for each child

Just read another newspaper article. Seems there was another child on the household.

Plus they lied to relatives as well as social services.

And social services like their relatives did try to see the baby. They don't have powers of forced entry.

That social worker will leave and get another job with less shit.

Truly heartbreaking but all too common.

But something else that upsets me is how often on MN we see posts about how awful social workers are, how they just meddle and cause bother. Also, a common MN theme, is to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS if you see a child being mistreated. Because their mum might have mental health problems or whatever, might be having a terrible day, you don’t know what she’s suffering etc etc. So as a nation we turn away for fear of being seen as nosy meddlers. I’m going to save this thread and link it next time there’s a “mind your own business” thread.

I also think people should be sterilised if they’ve had kids taken into care on 2 occasions. Someone can lose their way once, but if they do it again then enough’s enough. But that’s not a popular opinion.