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My payslip as a doctor in Feb 2021 during COVID

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Juniordoc · 12/04/2023 18:30

See attached image. Yes this is for full-time work with weekends and nights in the currently stretched working conditions that the NHS provides.

This does not include the expenses and sacrifices of a six year medical degree. On top of that, we have to pay out of pocket for our own GMC membership, medical defence union, postgrad exams and revision courses, conferences and courses.

Please get behind us and support the strikes. We are burnout, exhausted and struggling to live

My payslip as a doctor in Feb 2021 during COVID
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OneMorePiece · 13/04/2023 14:54

Medstudent12 · 13/04/2023 10:23

@user4567890754 the other 95% might see it differently yes.

But I cannot think of another job with so much responsibility that is paid so little.

I’ve worked minimum wage, it was proper hard graft in hospitality. But I didn’t have >£100k student debt, I wasn’t at a cardiac arrest at 2am, I wasn’t telling anyone their loved one had died, I wasn’t studying for incredibly rigorous professional exams and I did not work nearly as many hours as I do as a doctor. The work was nowhere near as technically difficult or skilled.

I risk being prosecuted for manslaughter if I make a mistake (google Bawa Garba case).

If you want excellence (and I do want a consultant caring for me to be good enough to do their difficult job) then you must pay us at the market rate. We don’t want a pay rise. We want to be paid what we were in 2008. All of the public sector have had a real terms pay cut but doctors in particular have had the biggest! Yes we are well paid but no one would do a job that is this hard if not well rewarded financially.

There are doctors being paid less than physician associates who cannot prescribe or even order an XR!

You, the OP and all the other doctors on here having to continuously justify your stance to certain posters on this thread are all STARS! Don't let anyone dull your sparkle! Good luck with your medical careers and I wish you the very best! Hope serious negotiations start soon in order to alleviate the current issues you are facing.

Annietheacrobat · 13/04/2023 15:43

@Juniordoc found my payslips. 2001. PRHO year. Same take home pay as you 19 years later. This is so wrong and the consultant body is with you all the way.

My payslip as a doctor in Feb 2021 during COVID
Annietheacrobat · 13/04/2023 15:46

Sorry 20 years later.....even worse

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ukgot2pot · 13/04/2023 16:01

I just can't get behind something that will actually harm people and cause more misery.

The irony of this.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 13/04/2023 17:43

I’m 100% behind you.

50percentunidad · 13/04/2023 17:43

The public need to be aware the NHS is currently not fit for purpose and we eventually had to take some sort of stand

I absolutely agree that the NHS is not fit for purpose, and the more people who realise this, the better. However, I remain convinced that strike action is only going to speed its complete demise. It is so far beyond fit for purpose that it needs comprehensively dismantling and a new system needs to be set up which takes into account the needs of the population now, not in the 1940s. Which may, of course, be what doctors collectively want. But if that isn't what they want, they are playing with fire.

Autumnalsunshine · 13/04/2023 17:50

Juniordoc · 12/04/2023 18:30

See attached image. Yes this is for full-time work with weekends and nights in the currently stretched working conditions that the NHS provides.

This does not include the expenses and sacrifices of a six year medical degree. On top of that, we have to pay out of pocket for our own GMC membership, medical defence union, postgrad exams and revision courses, conferences and courses.

Please get behind us and support the strikes. We are burnout, exhausted and struggling to live

Regardless of what anyone says that is not enough and no where near what you deserve after the years of training. First year post qualified, still within a training year and i took home more as a social worker. I also have an idea of how bad the stress and working conditions are, as well as the additional pressures on you that no one sees or knows. I hope they give you all the deserved payrise.

Tirednic72 · 13/04/2023 17:54

Thank you for all that you do. Really grateful.

Trishthedish · 13/04/2023 17:57

Behind you 100%. Our NHS is amazing and we must defend it. Thank you for all you do.

HarrietPoole · 13/04/2023 18:01

"Trouble is, if all public services are given pay rises then Joe Bloggs is then having to pay huge amounts of tax to pay for this - and regular people are struggling already... many haven't received a raise for years and not everyone can be in high paying professions.
It's not sustainable for anyone."

Public servants are also taxpayers...

pollymere · 13/04/2023 18:07

I was taking home less than 2/3rds of that working 18 hour days teaching... We still had to mark and chase all the work so I didn't get weekends either.

sumayyah · 13/04/2023 18:08

My whole family are behind you all.
we all have medical problems and have needed care frequently

I'm shocked to see comments about junior doctors being trainees. Nope they have trained for 6 years and are often left to get on with tasks/procedures alone
The comment about a trainee solicitor...... I've never asked a trainee solicitor to save my life, numerous junior doctors have saved me and my children though including a junior doctor on her first week on the ward having to start resus on my baby while waiting for colleagues more senior to get there, her back up was a ward manager and a student nurse
Junior doctors deserve a much better deal than they are getting.
My daughter's friend is getting ready to begin medical training to be a doctor, while he's going in to it because he wants to help people not to earn the big bucks he still should be able to have a good standard of living for such an important job

Juggler74 · 13/04/2023 18:15

I dont normally suport strikes, however I feel yours is totaly justified. The amount of training and knowledge you need to do for your job and the hours you work, you deserve far more than your paid. I hope you get what you ask for. I admire you enormously for the job you do.

starsparkle08 · 13/04/2023 18:16

My son is 2:1 has asd adhd and very very severe challenging behaviours . His support personal assistants they have previously been paid £20 per hour each . Maybe I should ask junior doctors to come and support my son instead . I’m not saying that the staff working with my son are not worthy but a dr looking after him you would expect a bigger fee surely

Ineke · 13/04/2023 18:18

I support you 100%. I also think you should get benefits such as free meals in the canteen, free parking, extra pay for night shifts, and many more.
Thank you for all the hard work.

Sistanotcista · 13/04/2023 18:24

Your payslip was a real shock. Thank you for sharing. I supported the NHS strikes anyway, but more so now. I hope you get the raise you are asking for. As you’ve rightly noted, the government have the money - they simply don’t want to spend it. A huge thank you to you for your service. I wish you everything of the best.

linsey2581 · 13/04/2023 18:24

Definitely supporting you. I’m a band 3 HCA and my wages are the same as yours!

Mikex · 13/04/2023 18:28

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FreddieMercurysCat · 13/04/2023 18:35

Jesus! I supported the doctors anyway, but your take home pay is about £150 a month more than me on basic but less than me when we hit production bonuses. And I only work 32 hrs a week running the day to day admin for a small company. That’s really poor for your knowledge & expertise.

OneMorePiece · 13/04/2023 18:36

HarrietPoole · 13/04/2023 18:01

"Trouble is, if all public services are given pay rises then Joe Bloggs is then having to pay huge amounts of tax to pay for this - and regular people are struggling already... many haven't received a raise for years and not everyone can be in high paying professions.
It's not sustainable for anyone."

Public servants are also taxpayers...

Junior doctors and consultants are also taxpayers. It's not like they are not contributing to the community at all. They do so in many ways whether by looking after you, your family and friends when you have fallen ill or by paying tax themselves on their earnings.

PUGMEISTER21 · 13/04/2023 18:36

Totally support you in a pay rise. But maybe some of this could be funded by not paying consultants as much and their huge bonuses they are awarded and cutting NHS holiday to 25 days?

Hogsinhoodies · 13/04/2023 18:39

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How many times does it have to be said that they are qualified doctors when they start F1????? Of course you can't compare with a PGCE. That is converting a possibly wholly unrelated degree into being a teacher. They are starting teacher training. Doctors have been in training for five full years before they reach that stage. The skillset is higher than most other professions and so they should be paid at the top end - £100K is modest for the skillset I would say. They have been forced into striking, it is not their doing. They are human beings trying to build lives not martyrs. If people are in danger, look to the Government who have let it get this far, not the junior doctors.

Chocolatefreak · 13/04/2023 18:40

I support you fully, and agree with other PP's that it's also scandalous that you have to pay for parking etc. For those who think it's a lot for a 'trainee' and are grudging the future salary you will make as a consultant, I find this hard to understand. How can people compare the salary a doctor makes, with the decision-making responsibility the job entails, not to be worth a decent salary? Unbelievable.

I would encourage you to use your platform to get nurse's (and other health workers') salaries raised in tandem with yours; it's often forgotten that as well as basic care and treatment of patients they often provide invaluable advice and guidance to doctors when making key decisions - because of the longer time they spend with patients. Doctors and nurses together are an essential service.

Annietheacrobat · 13/04/2023 18:41

PUGMEISTER21 · 13/04/2023 18:36

Totally support you in a pay rise. But maybe some of this could be funded by not paying consultants as much and their huge bonuses they are awarded and cutting NHS holiday to 25 days?

Which huge bonuses are these?

And how is reducing holiday across the NHS going to improve staff retention?

WorkerBee83 · 13/04/2023 18:47

You have my support! That’s absolutely devastating for the work you do xx

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