My payslip as a doctor in Feb 2021 during COVID

[Juniordoc]

See attached image. Yes this is for full-time work with weekends and nights in the currently stretched working conditions that the NHS provides.

This does not include the expenses and sacrifices of a six year medical degree. On top of that, we have to pay out of pocket for our own GMC membership, medical defence union, postgrad exams and revision courses, conferences and courses.

Please get behind us and support the strikes. We are burnout, exhausted and struggling to live

F1 S are highly trained professionals, they can prescribe and participate in surgery , they’ll be the ones keeping you alive in A and E . All junior doctors are misnamed and shockingly underpaid. They get load of adverts like this every day and many are leaving the NHS for more money and a better work life balance

Would you fail to win hearts and minds by providing a copy of your most recent payslip?

MP Salaries up 30% since 2013!

The only reason 35% sounds ridiculous is that that is precisely how much we have lost! We are not asking for a pay rise, only for our pay to be restored to what it was. Doctors have suffered the worst realtime payouts compared to any other profession and there's a tonne of graphs on news outlets to highlight this! Not to mention all the expenses we pay out of our own pocket just to do the job which is not covered by the employer.

We are not trainees but fully qualified doctors. I think the public sometimes gets confused about the term 'trainee'. It is not like any other profession. You work hard, extremely hard from the get go. There's no lectures, supervision and training like that of an apprenticeship. It is a service provision job.

As a first year doctor, you are qualified with an MBBS or MBCHB degree. On nights, you are providing so much cover for so many patients simultaneously. There is no 'supervision' like other apprenticeships or trainee jobs. It is a completely different ballgame all together.

The pay does not go up drastically at all. You can easily see the doctors nodal pay scale which was posted earlier on this thread or a quick google will bring it up and I guarantee you will be shocked.

Even the consultant salaries are not that high for the really long amount of time, expenses and everything they have to go through to get there. There is not even enough consultant jobs going around so doctors at stuck as staff grade level for many years even in their 40s and 50s!

But the way they've done is odd - they insist that paid holiday shouldn't be included when calculating the hourly rate. It certainly is on my pay slip, surely that's normal in a salaried job??

What really bonkers is that useless MPs earn double your salary when their work is not as hard as a medical professional's.
Also, there is no comparison between a solicitor and a doctor. It is unfair that such a high skilled and hard working profession draws such poor pay in this country.

In USA, it is one of the highest paying peofession and in mainland Europe doctors don't earn like American counterparts but they do have much better salaries than in UK. It shouldn't be a surprise if many doctors move to better paying countries. Who cares about how much a solicitor trainee earns. Doctors are more valuable to.public than lawyers and solicitors.

You are admirable for staying and trying to do the right thing rather than jumping ship. But, do you really, genuinely believe the government want to keep the NHS going? Because, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking they want to privatise it. And if that's the case, they won't care how much you strike. They are probably laughing right now watching it crumble into the ground (yes, I'm a cynic, but hate the tories).

This is so unfair considering medical staff is so underpaid. UK has become a Banana Republic, nothing makes sense here.

I would say doctors should also mention average salaries of MP in their protests so that everyone can see the unfairness of it all.

MPs should not be paid above national average. If it is too low for them, they should leave, anyways current lot is corrupt and useless.

I support the OP and all junior doctors in getting pay restoration. Don't think we should be directing any anger towards doctors, nurses and other NHS healthcare workers unless we have been in their shoes doing their jobs. If the goal is privatisation, I can say from having family and friends in the US and elsewhere, it's not the solution. Having heard their stories, I assure you the grass is not greener on the other side if healthcare is privatised.

Please don't compare a solicitor to a doctor. The value a doctor provides to the public is so much more than a solicitor and junior doctors work in much harder conditions. There is no comparison.

Why it is bonkers that junior doctors o4 nurses get a decent pay when MPs are earning two or three times national average?

Steve Barclay's should commence serious negotiations to alleviate this crisis. From what I have been reading, he has avoided any serious negotiations! Given he has had such a pay hike over the years, he is remunerated well enough to turn up and negotiate as part of his job!

Whilst II think you should be paid more and have better conditions I disagree with your comment....

"The general public seems to think doctors later go on to make big bucks. I cannot state how wrong this perception is. Most doctors do not earn that much even after getting to a consultant job which is a long road."

Looking on NHS jobs the consultant roles are earning £88-120K pa. :

Consultant Haematopathologist
Obs Gynae
ENT
Palliative Care
Gastro
Psychiatry
Neurology
Cardiology
Eurology
Opthalmology

I could go on.

To try to imply that consultants aren't on good money is bullshit.

As for the "long road to promotion" - that's the same in virtually any professional job. Do you think that every graduate of architecture expects t be Norman Foster within 5 years?

And not knowing at 17 it's a long, hard, under appreciated slog? My daughter is applying now for a medical career path and knows only too well that her chosen field is 5 years at uni and that her pay will be low for many many years.

So yes, you should earn more but F1's also need more of a sense of reality and less entitlement. 35% is simply crazy!

They are not trainees. They are fully qualified doctors. Is this really so hard to grasp?!!! Why not drop the insults and focus on trying to understand what they actually do?

Is the 9.3% pension contribution a defined contribution scheme. Or is your pension based on final salary in which case I think it would be more fair to look at the pay package for doctors rather than just "pay".

@Juniordoc you and all medical professionals deserve so much more. It is a shame in this countries useles MPs are getting so much more.

Thank you for all you do 👏

Please don't compare a solicitor to a doctor. The value a doctor provides to the public is so much more than a solicitor
Why?
If you were wrongly accused, i bet you wouldnt be saying that.Society needs many many roles and none are more important than another because we need all to function affectively.

Absolutely shocking 😞

hogsinhoodies can’t you grasp that a newly qualified doctor is at the level where they are most definitely still in training? They need constant support and training at that stage and are just starting out at a basic level of competence. If you don’t get that then you aren’t respecting the skills and experience of the specialists.

Many people have asked for your current payslip OP. But you don’t want to show, do you? It‘s difficult to see your point without proof of lack of pay progression, as you claim.

Junior doctors are seeking pay restoration not a pay rise! I think we all need to support them. I think getting the public angry with junior doctors by avoiding negotiations is a tactic designed to get the kind of outrage against doctors seen in this thread. To those demonising the doctors, you are directing your anger at the wrong people.

You don't know anything about current medical vacancies then

Jeez

Hi there, I have to politely disagree with your comment. Even senior registrars who are operating solo in the middle of the night are closed as 'junior doctors' or 'trainees'. These guys are doing emergency life saving surgery with no supervision. They are cutting open people's abdomens in the middle of the night for road traffic accidents or stabbings. They are doing emergency thoracotomies (opening chests) for trauma. They are fully trained and competent. They are extremely experienced. An ST8 surgical registrar is classed as a 'junior doctor' or 'trainee' and they have at least 10 years experience post- graduation, often more, but for an ST8 they have absolutely minimum of 10 years plus. However, they are still classed as 'trainee' or 'junior' because that is how the system works. You need to be skill based and time based to become a 'consultant'

The term 'junior doctor' or 'trainee' I do not think the public understand. That term is an injustice to fully qualified doctors and being a 'trainee' as a doctor has a completely and entirely different meaning to other professions.

I think the career path and payscales of NHS doctors is available online. You don't need to pressure the OP.

They posted their current take home pay
And another poster showed pay progression tables
Not sure what your point is