My payslip as a doctor in Feb 2021 during COVID

[Juniordoc]

See attached image. Yes this is for full-time work with weekends and nights in the currently stretched working conditions that the NHS provides.

This does not include the expenses and sacrifices of a six year medical degree. On top of that, we have to pay out of pocket for our own GMC membership, medical defence union, postgrad exams and revision courses, conferences and courses.

Please get behind us and support the strikes. We are burnout, exhausted and struggling to live

Solidarity, totally behind you. Some of the comparisons and comments here are ridiculous, you’re saving people’s lives and have spent 6 years of your life paying and studying to do so. You deserve double this as an absolute minimum.

I'm in a non clinical role with nhs. Earn considerably more than an F1, have a post graduate degree and 25 years experience. I will NEVER earn as much as my medical colleagues with same number of years experience- they earn double what I do - and quite right too!

But it might encourage others to join the profession and reduce the understaffing, therefore reducing the overwork and exhaustion? No?

behind you OP!!

to the posters who dont agree, you do realise this doctor, who saves lives, works shit hours and literally gets shit on is on equivalent to a band 5 position in the NHS
the lowest one for medical professionals with responsibility?

dam right they should have a payrise

I think it’s a very valid question. Your going to haemorrhage staff anyway if you can’t get the work life balance correct. Which is why I asked.

Is this a bad wage if they were doing 9-5 Monday to Friday? Obviously medicine isn’t working hours Monday to Friday so what’s the equivalent? 3 x 12 hr shifts? 4 x 10 hr, 5 x 7. Night hours worth more ‘hours’ on a rolling schedule.

It’s a simple question, but the answer is complex and accounts for more than half of the staff retention question.

I see that's for a FY1 so just out of uni.
The thing is there is fast progression in medicine.
I do agree it's too low but 35 percent increase ? Really.

You can see how many hours by looking at the left hand side of the payslip - roughly 195hrs per month - essentially as junior doctors cannot work an average of more than 48 hours/week, employers try to get as close to that as possible. Yes, that's right - at a time where 40 hrs/week is considered full time, almost all junior doctors will be working almost 20% more than that - not for a short period of time but years on end.

Yes of course many people worked ‘served’during covid.But I wouldn’t put my life in the hands of a postman or shop worker,your comparison is beyond ridiculous.

So many of these nasty posts are so clearly rooted in jealousy. If I can't earn x why should you? People far too stupid to realise the huge gap between their own pathetic limitations and what doctors do each and every day.

Because ultimately the people who are affected are the people who need to be treated/represented/taught. This is why I did not strike when my union voted in favour of strike action. There may be a bigger picture, but I couldn't do this to the individuals whom I had got to know, and who were depending on me helping them. I just couldn't say to these people - who were mostly desperate - "sorry, but I'm on strike because I'm not happy with being paid far more than you'll ever be paid, even though I think it's not enough, so our appointment is now cancelled, but I'll add you to a list of people to see at some point in the distant future". Maybe I'm a soft touch, but I just couldn't do it. I signed up to my particular job and its particular (crap) conditions, and I would have felt it was wrong to say "actually, that's a bit shit and I've now changed my mind, so you'll just have to suck it up".

Why is everyone "owed" a decent wage?

No that is not on top of salary, it is a deduction from salary. The £1500 isn't the monthly amount though - that's total for the year up to the date of the payslip. The monthly amount is shown in the deductions column on the right and is £218.88 a month.

Really shocking. My 23 yr old’s grad job pays more.

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

Im not disputing the fact they deserve more
BUT Where is the money coming from ?

succinctly put

I do think all NHS staff need substantial pay rises. And I also think the number of doctors being trained and the way junior doctors are treated needs an major overhaul (and the BMA needs to get on board with that). But I am troubled that doctors are asking for so much more than nurses have been given.

It is an absolute disgrace. It's an insult to your sacrifices, to your knowledge, experience, studies, sleepless nights, years and years of selflessness, drive and compassion. It's a disgrace to the medical profession and it's an even bigger disgrace that the government are getting away with it. Something has to change. We're behind you 100%.

Her son is not an outlier. I was earning £50k five years post-graduation thirty years ago. And I was neither as clever nor dedicated as your average doctor.

That is shocking and also I can’t understand why you have to pay for your own medical training. NHS doctors and nurses training should be funded by the government, they could have a clause like they do in the armed forces that you have to work for them for x amount of years after training. Drs IMO shouldn’t be getting paid less than £50k it’s an insult. I got paid more than your salary slip when I worked for a utility company and I don’t have any A levels it’s ridiculous.

I get what you’re saying about NHS pensions (same model as with state pensions) but nonetheless huge pension contributions are not irrelevant. It’s a huge benefit. The generous future pension is a perk that most other employees won’t benefit from. Unless they siphon off a very large percentage of their salary into a private pension scheme, which reduces take home pay, which is the same thing (inadequate take home pay) junior doctors are complaining about. You’ve got to look at the whole package holistically, otherwise it’s impossible to compare.

I’m fully behind you OP.Unfortunately Steve Barclay was my MP when I lived in his constituency(I’ve since moved)he was completely uninterested in local concerns and never replied to emails.He’s a career politician and is not qualified in any way to be Health Secretary.He also has no social skills and is the worse person to be dealing with this crisis.Good luck and thank you for all you do💐

@GoldenRetriever4 https://yorksandhumberdeanery.nhs.uk/sites/default/files/2017_airedale_f1_geriatric_medicine.pdf

I think what has to be remembered is that FY1 doctors are trainees- they are being paid to learn and develop. DNiece is a trainee solicitor and earns not much more than the figure you’ve given.

I think what has to be remembered is that FY1 doctors are trainees who shoulder a heck of a lot more responsibility for life and limb ( yours and mine) than the average trainee solicitor as is made obvious in the above link.

Ah, thanks for clarifying. Poor resolution on my tiny phone so I couldn’t tell.
In that case the % pension contribution isn’t huge at all so i gore my last post.

No, they don’t actually.

Op, that's shockingly low. I support you.