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bluelavender · 17/04/2023 13:12

We have laws in place to protect child performers as we recognise the risk of harm if safeguards are not in place.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/401345/Child_performance_and_activities_licensing_legislation_in_England_-departmental_advice-_final.pdf

I think there should be changes to the law to incorporate family bloggers where the children are a regular part of the content; and the family are being paid. There would then at least be a degree of protection for these children

Advice template

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/401345/Child_performance_and_activities_licensing_legislation_in_England_-_departmental_advice_-_final.pdf

Inmyownlittlecorner · 17/04/2023 13:29

@Borntobeamum my DD's have been watching the Ingham family. I googled them to find out more & they really are unpleasant aren't they? Much like the Radcliffes, the early years were different & they seemed to parent better. Now it's all about the likes & freebies.

bluelavender · 17/04/2023 13:30

At the moment; user generated content on social media is excluded

A licence is needed where
any performance for which a charge is made, whether for admission or otherwise;
• performances on premises licensed to sell alcohol, for example in a hotel, a pub, a theatre; • any live broadcast performance, for example a television or radio broadcast, internet streaming;
• any performance recorded (by whatever means) with a view to its use in a broadcast or such service or in a film intended for public exhibition. For example a live stage performance recorded for a cinema screening, a feature film, a video or sound recording of a performance on a website. (Note that this does not extend to user generated content, for e.g. where young people or a family record themselves and share it on a website or social media);
• when children take part in sport or modelling for which payment is made (to the child or to someone else in respect of the child taking part) other than expenses.

I really think this should be changed; and the ceiling could perhaps be when the family starts earning over £3k from their social media activities that feature the child? (Including in kind items like holidays)

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 17/04/2023 14:15

I see that another ‘momager’, mother of YT star Piper Rockelle is being accused of sexually, physically and emotionally abusing nearly a dozen of her daughter’s young co-creators and is being sued by them.

https://nypost.com/2023/04/17/mom-of-youtube-star-piper-rockelle-accused-of-abusing-young-content-creators/

Then there’s Richard Heene, father of the so-called ‘balloon boy’ who is undoubtedly a man with narcissistic traits and who used his wife and children to hoax the public, the media and emergency services. A domineering attention seeker who also hit his wife.

Mom of teen YouTube star accused of abusing young content creators in $22M civil case

Tiffany Smith was sued by 11 young content creators over the alleged abuse.

https://nypost.com/2023/04/17/mom-of-youtube-star-piper-rockelle-accused-of-abusing-young-content-creators/

TheFairyCaravan · 17/04/2023 14:18

Inmyownlittlecorner · 17/04/2023 13:29

@Borntobeamum my DD's have been watching the Ingham family. I googled them to find out more & they really are unpleasant aren't they? Much like the Radcliffes, the early years were different & they seemed to parent better. Now it's all about the likes & freebies.

You know Chris Ingham was caught sending inappropriate messages to teenage girls, don’t you? There’s absolutely no way my children would be watching him. He should not be allowed to have a platform anymore imo.

here

YouTuber Chris Ingham 'bombarded young fans with sexual messages'

Chris Ingham, 34, is accused of send inappropriate messages to two teenage fans on social media

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/youtuber-chris-ingham-bombarded-young-12993654

Borntobeamum · 17/04/2023 14:30

The Ingham Family are so weird.
They’ve removed their 3 eldest children from school and are ‘homeschooling’ them.
The way those children have deteriorated is huge.
They are constantly going off in holidays, mum dad 5 children including a baby in a converted DPD van. Running from the taxman I guess!

Theoldwoman · 17/04/2023 15:29

Whinge · 17/04/2023 07:05

@Theoldwoman I hadn't heard of them so did a quick search.

The first result was an article saying the dad filmed his dead wife and included this in a video on Youtube. Please tell me this is a horrible misrepresentation of the situation and he didn't actually do this.😲

That is unfortunately very true.

BlueThursday · 17/04/2023 17:53

I refuse to click a link to the Scum but these families are starting to become clones.

Utah ✔️
LDS ✔️
Home school ✔️
a billion kids ✔️
older ones NC ✔️

we need to open our eyes and stop watching this trash

Thegoodbadandugly · 17/04/2023 18:11

RatSlave · 05/04/2023 00:59

Should have a look at what other places have to say about them. Interesting how Sue couldn't have given less of a shit about Chris being actively suicidal and just blamed his ex for it all.

There's way to many people have an opinion on that when they don't live in the house and have no idea what's going on, you also don't know if this woman on tattle has an axe to grind with Sue.

Whinge · 17/04/2023 18:44

Theoldwoman · 17/04/2023 15:29

That is unfortunately very true.

I'm speechless. Shock

blackheartsgirl · 17/04/2023 19:23

Borntobeamum · 16/04/2023 15:55

The ingham family are one of the worst!

Yes The Ingham family are awful.

still allowed a platform on social media after what Chris Ingham did.

Their kids will have serious issues when they are older, already do now

thecatsthecats · 17/04/2023 19:27

My mum was a lifestyle journalist when I was a child. Two regular columns, one national magazine, and semi regular radio and broadsheet articles.

There wasn't an Internet then, for which I am profoundly grateful. I hated being made to pose for photographs, and even then I felt wildly misrepresented by her writing.

In spite of the relatively small reach of print media, I was recognised in public by foreign fans of her writing - people who had travelled to see the area she wrote about, and recognised by people reading my name label in public.

And she was not famous! Say, not even at the Shona Sibary level. That was how exposed I was from even minor print media. Outrageous that people can do so much more, and do so unthinkingly.

My friend was in the news recently with her kids and it made me feel weirdly sick seeing it.

JustKeepSlimming · 18/04/2023 21:40

Wow @thecatsthecats, that's quite eye-opening! I can only imagine what kinds of crazy people follow some of these family bloggers, and nowadays it's so much easier to figure out where they live and to go and have a nosey.

The Radfords have sometimes shown gifts that members of the public have sent for the kids - id be scared that total strangers even knew my address, let alone that they had gone to all the effort of buying, wrapping and sending gifts. I'd find it really creepy. And I'd be very cautious about letting the kids eat random sweets from a stranger - 99% of the time it would be fine, but there are some really odd people out there!

Addymontgomeryfan · 11/05/2023 11:37

The 21 year old Radford has just announced she's pregnant with her 3rd baby.

PenelopeTitsDrop3121 · 11/05/2023 11:40

Wish I had as much time as She. Despite all those children she still has time to sit and delete any posts congratulating them on Millie's news. How childish. Oh and yet another Disney world trip in August. So relatable 🙄

PenelopeTitsDrop3121 · 11/05/2023 11:41

*Sue

garlictwist · 11/05/2023 11:41

thecatsthecats · 17/04/2023 19:27

My mum was a lifestyle journalist when I was a child. Two regular columns, one national magazine, and semi regular radio and broadsheet articles.

There wasn't an Internet then, for which I am profoundly grateful. I hated being made to pose for photographs, and even then I felt wildly misrepresented by her writing.

In spite of the relatively small reach of print media, I was recognised in public by foreign fans of her writing - people who had travelled to see the area she wrote about, and recognised by people reading my name label in public.

And she was not famous! Say, not even at the Shona Sibary level. That was how exposed I was from even minor print media. Outrageous that people can do so much more, and do so unthinkingly.

My friend was in the news recently with her kids and it made me feel weirdly sick seeing it.

I'm desperately trying to think who your mum might have been.... (give us a clue! Grin)

Namechangeforthis189 · 11/05/2023 12:50

I think for most of these vlogging families it snowballs. Like a previous poster said, mum starts posting about their new baby, gains a following, turns out to be lucrative and we all know where it goes from there.

I also suspect that a lot of the first ‘mummy vloggers’ are waking up to how exploitative it is and are trying to find other ways to make a living from YouTube with less focus on the kids. For instance I’ve noticed one vlogging family start posting about cooking and interior design rather than the children. I don’t mind this as much, it doesn’t change the past but at least there’s a slow realisation it’s wrong and a want to somewhat rectify it.

However there needs to be laws in place for the children of parents who never have this realisation or think the trade of is worth it for the money/gifts. Some of these families are completely without shame. I don’t want the thread deleted but there’s one vlogger who just defies all reasoning. Constantly posting videos of her young daughter in bikinis or plastered in make up. Photoshopping pictures of her to make her appear slimmer while practically ignoring her other child in the process. The child starts ‘performing’ the minute the camera is on her. It’s hardly surprising as it’s all she’s known her entire life but it’s so sad to see.

Mummy2mybear · 11/05/2023 14:46

Addymontgomeryfan · 11/05/2023 11:37

The 21 year old Radford has just announced she's pregnant with her 3rd baby.

Wow

Iliveinacrapstreet · 12/05/2023 10:24

My dd used to follow Family Fizz. Google it. This us a British family and the content is quite sickening.

Scottishdreams1991 · 12/05/2023 13:31

Namechangeforthis189 · 11/05/2023 12:50

I think for most of these vlogging families it snowballs. Like a previous poster said, mum starts posting about their new baby, gains a following, turns out to be lucrative and we all know where it goes from there.

I also suspect that a lot of the first ‘mummy vloggers’ are waking up to how exploitative it is and are trying to find other ways to make a living from YouTube with less focus on the kids. For instance I’ve noticed one vlogging family start posting about cooking and interior design rather than the children. I don’t mind this as much, it doesn’t change the past but at least there’s a slow realisation it’s wrong and a want to somewhat rectify it.

However there needs to be laws in place for the children of parents who never have this realisation or think the trade of is worth it for the money/gifts. Some of these families are completely without shame. I don’t want the thread deleted but there’s one vlogger who just defies all reasoning. Constantly posting videos of her young daughter in bikinis or plastered in make up. Photoshopping pictures of her to make her appear slimmer while practically ignoring her other child in the process. The child starts ‘performing’ the minute the camera is on her. It’s hardly surprising as it’s all she’s known her entire life but it’s so sad to see.

This 100%

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Theoldwoman · 18/05/2023 11:59

Family Fizz - now that was/is a strange couple.

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