Death sentences

[usernamechanged1]

Saw on another thread a couple of “he should hang” type comments in respect to a man who has been convicted of murder. The victim was 9 (Olivia Pratt-Korbel).

I expect it’ll be a resounding no, but does anyone genuinely feel that there should be a death option for certain crimes?

Or are these throwaway comments people tend to make in response to particularly shocking/heinous crimes?

I understand that
BUT
people do comit suicide in prison. Finding them 'asleep' after a chosen tablet must be easier than finding a body, where someone has manage to hang themself or bleed to death, has to be prefereable

Yes I agree with this.

Having sat on a jury at a murder trial and finding it an incredibly difficult process, I genuinely don't think I could have done that if the choice was the death penalty.
I'm not a religious person at all so it isn't about saving peoples souls or forgiveness etc.
I too wish the sentences in this country reflected the crimes.
Certain criminals DO deserve to never see the light of day again.
BUT that comes at a cost. We have to pay for these people whilst they're incarcerated and I wonder how much that plays a part in the sentencing laws and decisions 🤔
Yes it shouldn't do, and yes it costs money once they've been released on license. Prisons are overcrowded and often not fit for purpose and don't seem to be much of deterrent, more of a revolving door for a lot people.
Maybe it's time we tried a new approach 🤷🏻‍♀️

I agree with this

Yeah definitely.

child molester
child abuser
serial killer

all deserve to die. If i can make the law they should die in pain. As much pain as possible.

Until it turns out that they wren't guilty at all.

If someone killed my child I would want them to die. I would be willing to kill them. And that is why a civilised society cannot afford to operate on the basis of vilgilantism, vendetta or revenge. None of those things are justice.

And the children and family of victims? Aren't they entitled to their relationship with the victim?
Murderers choose to inflict the death penalty on other people. There is a case to be made for inflicting it on them.
.However, I actually support life- meaning life - rather than execution. To be in prison all the rest of your days is a far worse punishment.

Well I guess you think like the people you want to torture and kill then 🙄

And exactly who do you want to force to do the torturing? What sort of mental health provision are you going to provide them. Or is this like a hunger games senario where they all torture and kill each other. How do you work out how much pain is enough pain?

No to execution.
Yes to death sentences. What i mean by that is, spending the rest of their long, miserable, abhorrent lives in prison. Some crimes are so terrible that a person should never be released.

Sex offenders for example cannot be rehabilitated. Psychologists have been saying it for years.

Wise words.

Giving them literally nothing to lose. Therefore making prison staff's lives dangerous and miserably cheap.

Might as well stab someone.

BTW the recidivism rates for murder is low. So it's actually not that difficult to place in communities. I've worked with people on life licence in the community. Sweet, harmless old men.

Aside from the moral argument against it, it just isn't effective.
In the states it generally costs the state lots more to kill someone then keep them alive in prison for the rest of their natural life (multiple court appeals etc).
Haven't read the whole thread so don't know if others have shared but there is a sociological hypothesis called the brutalitising effect and there appears to be evidence which suggest quite apart from it not being a deterrent state sanctioned killing can actually increase the likelihood of other violent crimes.
You have the risk of people dying who are innocent through miscarriages of justice - we know that in America there is a racial disproportionately there.
Think about the impact on the person that has to do the killing, we know it is often not a clean death. Imagine the trauma for that person/people having to repeatedly take another person's life.
As others have said it can stop killers sharing burial sites for example as there is no incentive to share that information.

Pretty much. I am for it for certain specific cases.

So
Life at any cost has to be preserved.

some/many people have killed for various reasons.

Is it wrong for someone who has killed (for whatever reason) should be prevented from taking their own life?

Is it wrong that someone who is never ever going to be freed (crime/situation) has to continue to suffer incarceration at societies cost, even if they would rather be dead

Being dead is not a punishment - it means that they (a) don't suffer any more and (b) can't continue to inflict punishiment/consequences on anyone else.

No losers here in my opinion.

Once dead you don't hurt and you can't hurt anyone else

With respect, no.

My cousin's partner is a former prison officer and has diagnosed cPTSD as a result of spending 25 years on duty in a women's prison, where the 'preferred' form of taking one's own life is generally poisoning of one form or another: while it may be peaceful for the intended individual, it's rarely that way for the person who finds them, due to choking / suffocation etc.

It's not pretty.

And with regard to the death sentence overall?

No. I don't want to live in a society that condones and even celebrates state-sanctioned murder.

It brutalises all of us and we should be better than that.

There must sometimes be absolute certainty like for example if they were caught on cctv or there were multiple witnesses?

Absolutely there should be a death penalty

Paedophiles CANNOT repent! Children are who they are attracted to. They get 'pleasure' from ending their lives. That will never, ever, ever change. This has been proven many times

This. The reality of requiring someone to kill someone else. I’m not comfortable with that. I remember reading something written by a guy that carried out death penalties in America - I think he was a Dr. It sounded horrible. I think it would be awful to ask someone to do that.

For all these reasons, no - no point to it really.

Can’t say I am sorry when the likes of Fred West see themselves off, though.

Some essay questions

If we are keeping certain individuals locked up, would the resources keeping them locked up, be better used if they were put towards a more productive cause for society, via having the death penalty for a range of offences.

Plus would it also pave the way for a better and more safer society if the criminals that have committed heinous acts, and the repeat offenders ect be erased from society via the death penalty

@usernamechanged1

Might help around here. Yes, I live near the area mentioned in the case above. Gun and knife crime utterly out of control, police generally less than useless.

Until one of your loved ones gets killed by some scumbag....

Timothy Evans was hanged for murdering his wife and infant daughter.

It turned out later that he was innocent, and was framed by John Christie, who was then also convicted and hanged for murdering Evans' wife and infant daughter.

Both men were hanged by the same hangman, incidentally.

I bet all you proponents of capital punishment would have been all for hanging Evans. Or do you just say 'oh well, two for the price of one'?