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Death sentences

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usernamechanged1 · 30/03/2023 20:14

Saw on another thread a couple of “he should hang” type comments in respect to a man who has been convicted of murder. The victim was 9 (Olivia Pratt-Korbel).

I expect it’ll be a resounding no, but does anyone genuinely feel that there should be a death option for certain crimes?

Or are these throwaway comments people tend to make in response to particularly shocking/heinous crimes?

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MsJD · 31/03/2023 22:28

The UN is pushing for a worldwide moratorium on the Death Penalty, leading, hopefully, to a complete ban everywhere. If we reintroduce the death penalty in the UK, how are we going to get Iran, Yemen and Saudi Arabia to stop?

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 22:41

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 22:16

@Mycathatesmecuddling and @justsayingthat

I have worked with ex offenders a fair amount and in prisons doing educational programs. Housing on release etc. Also volunteering. In more than one country actually. I currently don't theoretically work directly with them but my week has included work on DV, drug offences, threats, child abuse, and more. Perpetrators and victims.

And on the matter of how I would feel as a victim. That's not justice. If anyone hurt DD or any child, of course I want a rain of hellfire. Do I think the state should make that rain happen? No.

What I want is reduced offending, not revenge. These blanket vengeful 'solutions' don't work to reduce offending. Humane treatment of all people at all times does. Even when we really don't want to be humane and even when the person doesn't 'deserve' it.

not all humans can be rehabilitated or reformed, that's partly why we go to war when everything else has been tried, then what other options are their,

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 22:47

Essay question, what if the prison population was drafted into the military, and sent into combat zones would that reduced the crime rates knowing they would be going to war

Mycathatesmecuddling · 31/03/2023 22:49

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 22:47

Essay question, what if the prison population was drafted into the military, and sent into combat zones would that reduced the crime rates knowing they would be going to war

You want to arm a serial killer with a weapon and expect him to fight for you, not just shoot you and leave. Sure sure, go for it, you can be the first one to give them the gun

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 31/03/2023 22:50

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 22:47

Essay question, what if the prison population was drafted into the military, and sent into combat zones would that reduced the crime rates knowing they would be going to war

And what about the servicemen and women whose safety would literately be in their hands?

Do you people even think before you spout these theories and "options"?

Mycathatesmecuddling · 31/03/2023 22:50

Essay questions: does saying essay question at the start make statements that need critical thinking applied appear intellectual, or just poncy and unnecessary?

Asking for a friend...

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 22:51

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 22:47

Essay question, what if the prison population was drafted into the military, and sent into combat zones would that reduced the crime rates knowing they would be going to war

Sure. If you don't care about the rape and murder of civilians.

Honestly, the bollocks that gets chatted on here!

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 22:51

Mycathatesmecuddling · 31/03/2023 22:50

Essay questions: does saying essay question at the start make statements that need critical thinking applied appear intellectual, or just poncy and unnecessary?

Asking for a friend...

Ooooo I know Miss!

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 22:56

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 31/03/2023 22:50

And what about the servicemen and women whose safety would literately be in their hands?

Do you people even think before you spout these theories and "options"?

Then you have the whole squad as convicts, keep tabs on their convoys, ect, trained and selected in prison before going to war, to minimise the very high risk ones.

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 22:57

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 22:51

Ooooo I know Miss!

It's to prevent the ah, you advocate X position. Besides Socrates was an advocate of the asking questions rather than giving his own perspectives

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 22:58

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 22:51

Sure. If you don't care about the rape and murder of civilians.

Honestly, the bollocks that gets chatted on here!

Well you hardly send them into civilian areas, you make sure the locations are where the main enemy troops are

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 31/03/2023 23:00

@Hawkins00 you have no idea how any of this works do you?

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 23:02

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 31/03/2023 23:00

@Hawkins00 you have no idea how any of this works do you?

Not a clue

Zuffe · 31/03/2023 23:05

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 23:02

Not a clue

Yes you do. I’ve seen you on t’other thread. You Wagnerite.

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 23:11

Zuffe · 31/03/2023 23:05

Yes you do. I’ve seen you on t’other thread. You Wagnerite.

I'm certainly not of the German philosophy type

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 23:16

Socrates was an advocate of the asking questions rather than giving his own perspectives

Maybe assume intelligent people know things. Like I'm going to go 'OMG Hawkins just explained Socratic method, my mind is blown'.

Stop teaching your grandmother to suck eggs.

Socrates FFS.

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 23:19

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 23:16

Socrates was an advocate of the asking questions rather than giving his own perspectives

Maybe assume intelligent people know things. Like I'm going to go 'OMG Hawkins just explained Socratic method, my mind is blown'.

Stop teaching your grandmother to suck eggs.

Socrates FFS.

I used that as context for why I was phrasing my "essay questions" rather than presuming everyone had knowledge of Socrates and his methods

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 23:21

Just stop. No one wants your essay questions.

slowquickstep · 31/03/2023 23:24

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 22:47

Essay question, what if the prison population was drafted into the military, and sent into combat zones would that reduced the crime rates knowing they would be going to war

Why the hell should the military put up with criminals ?

anonymous98 · 31/03/2023 23:25

I privately think that some people are truly irredeemably evil, however, on a policy level, enacting something like the death penalty brings more problems than solutions. Look at America; it does nothing to deter violent crime and innocent people can be executed by mistake.

We cannot right a wrong with more killing, even if someone 'deserves it.'

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 23:28

slowquickstep · 31/03/2023 23:24

Why the hell should the military put up with criminals ?

The criminals , at least some like to think they are tough, ect then they either live or die out there.

Hawkins00 · 31/03/2023 23:29

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 23:21

Just stop. No one wants your essay questions.

Maybe not, but it's valid perspectives for this debate.

Mycathatesmecuddling · 31/03/2023 23:38

And when you have taken your violent criminals, and instead of rehabilitating them you have trained them to kill more efficiently and then brought them back to the UK at the end of their tour with ptsd and all the other mental health issues military front line personnel can suffer from do you think they will just quietly sink back into civilian life?

Mycathatesmecuddling · 31/03/2023 23:43

Also given new figures show that up to 10% of the UK prison population are military veterans, despite only 3.8% of the population entering the military, is it possible that the military is actually part of the cause of crime, and not in fact the cure?

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/03/2023 23:45

Mycathatesmecuddling · 31/03/2023 23:43

Also given new figures show that up to 10% of the UK prison population are military veterans, despite only 3.8% of the population entering the military, is it possible that the military is actually part of the cause of crime, and not in fact the cure?

I've met a couple of murderers who were post-army. Plus a shit load of domestic abusers. Not exactly a cure, is it?

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