This is what people should really be worrying about ...

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Even if you haven't been worried (yet) by current increases in extreme weather events, this should ring alarm bells. These currents are what keep the UK and other northern European countries relatively warm compared to Greenland. : BBC News - Antarctic ocean currents heading for collapse- report
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-65120327

More solar energy in China than anywhere. They know energy independence is the only way forward.

Maybe we are still here because of the massive public reactions against nuclear weapons, the marches, people like my mum at Greenham, the Peace Convoy, CND.

It's like people saying the Y2K thing was all an overreaction, when in reality it took a lot of work to make sure it didn't happen.

Don't get complacent.

Previous dangers were tackled by ordinary people head-on. Just because they were successful, doesn't mean it wasn't a danger.

Haven't we only been around for 300,000 years?

And happily minding our own business and not fucking up the planet for about 299,850 of theme

The current report goes into more detail about the effects on Australia and the Pacific, but this article from 2021 gives an overview of what Europe and North America can expect if we don't do the necessary.

Link:

amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/25/atlantic-ocean-circulation-at-weakest-in-a-millennium-say-scientists

I think the PP probably envisions the latter, I might be wrong though.
I wonder how that would work in reality though - would we more or less replace a whole generation of locals with immigrants? Would they be allowed to have children? What would happen when those immigrants get older?
It just doesn’t add up.
I‘m an immigrant myself, so definitely not anti-immigration, but it just baffles me when people suggest things like this.

I agree. We need to drastically reduce human population, even if it causes us short-term economic and logistical problems.

To be fair the birth rate is already dropping. Half of U.K. young people have no plans to procreate.

Life expectancy in the U.K. has dropped too.

Immigration is at record high levels though.

I find the point that people (only in certain countries mind) shouldn't reproduce really distasteful.

Asda cancelled all my Easter eggs. Out of stock apparently. Now I'll have to walk to the blummin store.

Huh. You think you've got problems...

And... They beansprouts with chopped onions. That's not going is it? !!!!!!!

What do you mean?

This. And I won’t obsess over it and cause my DC to turn into shells of themselves because of climate change anxiety. Awareness is good to have , but there’s a fine line between it, and hysteria that some people have developed.

I didn't even make any sense to myself there 🤣

Honestly, this is how I feel too.
I have way too much stress in my everyday life to worry about this as well.

Believe me, I am super worried about climate change. I found what helps me cope is:

• learning about green techs, a lot of what we need to do would reduce emissions make a better world than we have at the moment - it's helps me feel hopeful

• found like minded people and groups in my local area - it helps to feel part of a team

• lobbied my local MP. He's quite green minded already, but if yours isn't you could have a massive impact here

• Lifestyle changes, like moving my pension to a fossil fuel free fund, not flying for my holidays, and having more vegan food.

Sources I like about green stuff that are positive rather than depressing:

• Big Green Money Show with Debra Meaden (BBC podcast)
• Fully Charged (podcast and YouTube)
• George Monbiot (articles and books, loved Regenesis)
• Bloomberg (YouTube, search for green specific content they do)
• Just Have a Think (YouTube)
• Undecided with Matt Ferrell (YouTube)
• Carbon Brief (website, ok this one can be a teensy bit more depressing)
• carbonintensity.org.uk (website which tells you about the current electricity generation, often more cheering than you would think)

White flight or outbreeding?😞

To be fair the birth rate is already dropping. Half of U.K. young people have no plans to procreate.

I can well believe it.. they're too bloody terrified!!

I believe it's known as ahem "The Great Replacement Theory" inspiration for far right murderers, shooters and terrorists everywhere it is promulgated.

The original scientific estimates undertaken before the first world war were remarkably accurate. As have the vast majority ever since.

Scientific predictions usually come with a range of values, they're called error bars but that doesn't imply any kind of error, just a range of values dependent on the assumptions made in the calculations. However guess which values the press decide to report on? The most extreme values, pretty much every time. Whether it's George Climate Alarmist Monbiot at the Guardian or equally but politically biased morons who write for the red tops and Torry press, coverage is on the poor side dire. The BBC article in the OP muddles up north and south and the Arctic and the Antarctic.

Is it any wonder people are a little bit despondent of the whole thing?

And yes it could be existential to your children and grandchildren.

@Raggletagglegypsy Businesses could be assessed for their current carbon footprint and be forced to reduce that annually going forwards.

You know this has been happening for years right?

@Raggletagglegypsy Personally, I have serious doubts about the degree to which climate change is attributable to anthropogenic causes - beyond marginal impact

Have you ever read a scientific paper?

If the climate was due to natural causes it would be cooling, how do you explain the fact that it's warming. Please post proper science. It's the same physics that stops your house falling down.

China's per capita emissions are less than ours taking exports into account.

"Recycling is nothing new - if you already recycle as much as you can, then you're doing your bit. The problem are those who can't be bothered, even when it costs councils a fortune to provide bins/boxes, collections, etc. You can lead a horse to water......"

I don't think some people realise how much more recycling can be done. Eg pill packets can be recycled at Superdrug, tetra-packs and Pringles tubes in bank in Tesco car parks, bubble wrap in Sainsbury's etc.

@Daftasabroom You posted an extract from my post without the context - I have clearly read scientific papers, evidenced by the fact that I cited the example of the rapid warming events of the Late Pleistocene (Dansgaard-Oeschger events -with sudden warming of up to 8 degrees centigrade, occurring in possibly as little as 10 years). Science should never be viewed as 'settled' - as that is simply not scientific. The current socio-political environment, in which those who challenge the paradigm are automatically shut down, is troubling.
My point was, regardless of the causes, climate change has and will continue to happen - therefore, society needs to build in resilience, in order to cope with those inevitable climatic shocks.

@Raggletagglegypsy anthropogenic climate change has no relation whatsoever to previous events - except of course that ALL rapid changes in climate result in mass extinction events.

Please post one single peer reviewed paper that you have personally read that throws serious doubt on anthropogenic climate change.

The only climate shock is anthropogenic climate change. Please support your statements. You are quite quite misguided.