Out of complete nosinesses, how much do teachers get paid?

[tikkakormaandsomerice]

So primary teachers
Secondary school teachers

What would they roughly get paid?

@Botw1

The odd outlier after a few years as a lot of them band 5s will be newly qualified. What do you do by the way as you seem to think you know it all about these professions? It’s embarrassing.

You’re not even in England for godsake. Right enough of this time wasting. If I was you I would stop trying to encourage a race to the bottom and I would probably try to find a career I was proud of instead of trying to beat others down. That’s never a good strategy.

@Botw1 "where I got that from" is that you said Scottish teachers are well paid.
So I'm asking, why you think it's ok for the salary of Scottish teachers to be worth less in real terms year after year, and especially at a time of really hard-hitting increases in the cost of living.
Because I don't think that is ok, for any employee.

@Easterfunbun

Again, its not a race to the bottom. Or beating others down.

Just looking for a bit of perspective.

2/3 of the nursing work force are band 5. Not a few outliers.

The starting salary for a Band 5 nurse is £27,055 a year - nearly £6,000 below the £33,000 average UK salary for a full-time worker.
Around two thirds (67%) of nurses are on Band 5.

And the starting rate may be fairly similar but there is at least 6 k of a difference at the top.

Not being in England is irrelevant.

@MistressIggi

They've just had a 14 % pay rise over 2 years?

I dont think that's awful.

Clearly neither do most teachers or they wouldn't have accepted it

What were you looking for?

I think all wages should be rising with inflation (minus those at the top) and that we really need to adjust, as a society, how we renumerate those at the top v those at the bottom

But until that happens, no, I don't think teachers are underpaid

So if you think ‘teachers are not underpaid’, do you mean English teachers or Scottish teachers? As they are not the same, you must either think Scottish teachers are overpaid or that English teachers are underpaid?

English teachers are underpaid in comparison to Scottish teachers.

English nurses are underpaid in comparison to Scottish nurses

That's the tories for you

So, by implication, English teachers are entirely justified in expecting a pay rise and an overall re-calibration of pay levels to bring them in line with Scottish teachers, at the very least?

It goes without saying that the same applies to English nurses.

@cantkeepawayforever

Sure.

As long as nurses then get a rise to keep them in line with teachers

20 years teaching
Stuck on M6
Work 1.5 days a week
Responsible for 2 subjects
Run worship once a week
Run 2 extra curricular clubs

@Botw1

We weren’t discussing the average worker though. We were comparing nurses wages to teachers wages. They are quite comparable, particularly when you apply context to both professions. Lots of band 5s in the two thirds will be newly qualified and they will progress up to band 6, usually within a year or two. By this point they are not expected to really justify their salary in the same way that a teacher has too, once they start climbing up the payscale.

It’s also not really a guarantee that a teacher will ever climb a pay scale and their salary tends to peak quite early on in their career without rising. Unless of course they go into school leadership. Overall I felt your first comment on justifying pay in comparison to a band 5 very short sighted, ill informed and completely lacking in any sort of context.

Without the details in front of me, I can’t recall how the different pay offers pan out - Scottish nurses / Scottish teachers / English nurses / English teachers? I don’t think that anything offered is as low as the English teaching one?

Not quite sure why we should confine it to those specific public sectors, though? Bus drivers / train drivers / junior doctors / care workers?

Not a single penny of that pay rise has reached a Scottish teacher yet, by the way.
You do realise teachers in England are in a campaign of industrial action to achieve a pay rise, just as until very recently teachers in Scotland were doing? (Until the not-brilliant award that's spread over 2 and a half years was agreed).
People who don't want to go into teaching because of the pay or stay in teaching because of the pay are not leaving to become nurses instead. No point in this endless comparison between teachers and nurses.

@Easterfunbun

Your comment that the majority of nurses are band 6 and above is completely ill informed

So we should probably leave it there

My sisters are paid more than me. The nursing strikes were about much more than pay, mainly conditions. In their opinion they’re paid fairly as nurses. One being happy to coast at band 6 and the other a band 7. I think from their cohorts it is a tiny minority who wanted to remain at band 5. In terms of my pay packet from my nursing days to my now teaching days…..not much difference really, having said that I work many more hours now.

@MistressIggi

Teachers are very teacher focused.

They often refuse to listen when ots pointed out that they are not unique. That they are not alone in being over worked and 'underpaid'

It's like banging your head against a brick wall trying to get them to see the bigger picture.

It's quite an odd trait

@Botw1

They’re Newly qualified and will soon be going up to a band 6. Not sure why that’s so difficult for you to comprehend, particularly when newly qualified teachers and nurses are on the same pay bar a 1k difference. Hardly worth getting your knickers in a twist over.

It is rare for nurses to just stay at band 5 after a year or two. Did I simply that enough for you?

@Botw1

Ive been on both sides of that fence so definitely feel able to have an opinion on this. What do you do by the way?

@Easterfunbun

You think 2/3 of the nursing workforce are newly qualified?

And that every 2 years that 2/3 get a band 6 and are replaced by another 2/3 newly qualified band 5?

😂

*simplify

@Botw1

That is absolutely what I think,
and what I know, and what I believe to be true, certainly my neck of the woods. What makes you the expert? Have you been a nurse? Do you know nurses? Do you know nursing cohorts over many years? and do you know any nursing academics?

@Easterfunbun

What area of nursing did you work in? Why did you leave?

@Easterfunbun

Yes.

I've been a nurse lol

Imve the majority of nurses stay at band 5 for the whole of their careers

The figures I've posted match my experience.

Most band 6 and above roles take you away from actual nursing.

It's not what the majority do

I stayed on M6 deliberately after seeing the extra pressures put on UPS colleagues.
It's a form of Performance Related Pay. There were threats that if they didn't do such and such, they wouldn't be able to keep their extra points. Sod that!

My HT took my Performance Management session to go through all the UPS standards I had reached and exceeded, urging me to apply. I politely declined.

I want every worker who is overworked and under paid to join a union who will campaign for their rights, and to vote for a government who will support the working classes.
The "bigger picture" is that the rich get richer and everyone else argues among ourselves for the crumbs.