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Am I out of touch or is this bordering paedophilia?

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BeLuckyy · 29/03/2023 07:51

This person popped up in my Facebook suggestions.
After having a look it seems they are a 'steamy romance' author.
However, the subject matter of this post (and some of the 'enthusiastic' comments) made me feel like it's just wrong.
Admittedly I've not read things like this, also, I was taken advantage of as a young teen by a teacher so maybe I'm projecting but isn't it bordering/stepping into the lines of child abuse?
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Am I out of touch or is this bordering paedophilia?
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ArabellaScott · 29/03/2023 10:44

Swg · 29/03/2023 10:28

The consent of the person reading it, yes sure absolutely. And the OP can relatively easily block the adverts and make them go away. Chances are the author doesn't particularly want her reading them either - most people advertising pay for each eyeball on them and people horrified by stuff are just wasted money. But social media algorithms are weird and sometimes go astray.

The consent of the characters though? Nope. Nope nope nopity nope.

Indeed, it was very clear I was talking about the OP, or anyone else who doesn't want to see distasteful porn in her feed, being in the right to not have it shoved in her face.

As for literary descriptions about consent etc, that's a whole other discussion, and not relevant here.

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2023 10:45

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To Facebook, if you read the OP.

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2023 10:47

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 10:41

Wrong. There's a huge difference between literary erotica (which as you say has been around since the printing presses - centuries before the printing presses infact) and the medium of film. Especially when it comes to sex. There's plenty of research to back this up (JSTOR is your friend here). Men in particular respond far more to visual sexual stimuli than women. Also there is now emerging evidence in online porn that the more you serve to men, the more they click on increasingly extreme footage to get the same satisfaction.

As far as literature goes, Justine by Marquis de Sade is probably on the extreme edge of what you could read and it used to be quite difficult to get hold of. Now you can get stuff that would make de Sade blush on your phone in 30 seconds, and as an audiovisual image it's a lot more compelling and vivid than slogging through de Sade's lengthy, dull explanations of the diet that the monks fed Justine to get the right, er, result.

Angela Carter was really interesting on Justine in 'The Sadeian Woman'. Not sure I agree on her conclusions, but it's a different take, at least.

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 10:57

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2023 10:47

Angela Carter was really interesting on Justine in 'The Sadeian Woman'. Not sure I agree on her conclusions, but it's a different take, at least.

Thank you! I might check it out!

Anyway @Swg if you are interested in doig your own research on some of the findings I mentioned in my pp, the easiest way in is to start with the writings of Sarah Ditum and Mary Harrington, they both have Substacks, and from here you will be signposted to academic articles detailing the various studies done on the effects of specifically audiovisual online porn and why it leads to people accessing extreme content faster than the printed word ever could. Likewise with printed books vs the stuff you can now find on literotica. Some of these articles are accessible via JSTOR which you can sign up to for free, some you;'ll need to pay a small fee.

Sarah Ditum has an essay called 'Porn will destroy you' which is a decent place to start. :-)

Swg · 29/03/2023 10:57

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 10:41

Wrong. There's a huge difference between literary erotica (which as you say has been around since the printing presses - centuries before the printing presses infact) and the medium of film. Especially when it comes to sex. There's plenty of research to back this up (JSTOR is your friend here). Men in particular respond far more to visual sexual stimuli than women. Also there is now emerging evidence in online porn that the more you serve to men, the more they click on increasingly extreme footage to get the same satisfaction.

As far as literature goes, Justine by Marquis de Sade is probably on the extreme edge of what you could read and it used to be quite difficult to get hold of. Now you can get stuff that would make de Sade blush on your phone in 30 seconds, and as an audiovisual image it's a lot more compelling and vivid than slogging through de Sade's lengthy, dull explanations of the diet that the monks fed Justine to get the right, er, result.

Yeah and what the OP is talking about is written erotica and has zero to do with film at all. If we were talking film I would have different opinions as that does have victims.

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 10:59

Swg · 29/03/2023 10:57

Yeah and what the OP is talking about is written erotica and has zero to do with film at all. If we were talking film I would have different opinions as that does have victims.

See I would argue that some of the stuff you can find on literoritca is also a huge problem. Underage, mutilation, rape are all very easily accessible categories. The victims are the peope who read them and their sexual partners who have to then cope with the reader's increasingly perverted ideas of what counts as a healthy sexual relationship.

Swg · 29/03/2023 11:00

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2023 10:44

Indeed, it was very clear I was talking about the OP, or anyone else who doesn't want to see distasteful porn in her feed, being in the right to not have it shoved in her face.

As for literary descriptions about consent etc, that's a whole other discussion, and not relevant here.

It wasn't actually that clear tbh. And honestly as I said the author probably isn't doing it on purpose and blocking it on Facebook (and possibly politely letting them know) is the best tactic.

Social media algorithms are weird and getting weirder and as authors are getting increasingly pushed to do their own advertising mistakes can happen with no malicious intent whatsoever. Chances are the real villain here is Facebook.

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 11:03

Swg · 29/03/2023 10:57

Yeah and what the OP is talking about is written erotica and has zero to do with film at all. If we were talking film I would have different opinions as that does have victims.

So for example in the expamle OP has posted, you see 'br33ding' which is code for unsafe sex and is an online category for written porn. And as others have mentioned, the statement 'all over 18' is bullshit because when you read the stories themselves you see that the girl in question is usually clearly written as younger. Sometimes they will even specify '18 but underdeveloped' etc.

It ain't good.

Fluffodils · 29/03/2023 11:03

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 11:03

So for example in the expamle OP has posted, you see 'br33ding' which is code for unsafe sex and is an online category for written porn. And as others have mentioned, the statement 'all over 18' is bullshit because when you read the stories themselves you see that the girl in question is usually clearly written as younger. Sometimes they will even specify '18 but underdeveloped' etc.

It ain't good.

That's sick

DojaPhat · 29/03/2023 11:06

All I want to add to this discussion is that I am completely in support of kink shaming.

Swg · 29/03/2023 11:07

LBFseBrom · 29/03/2023 10:35

How on earth would someone get an orgasm out of that? I hope I don't regret asking :-).

This particular erotica isn't to my taste and frankly looks very written by numbers. I suspect you could probably find better for free by searching fanfic.

However. From experience the points in my life when I've craved reading (and writing!) darker stuff are the points where I've felt in a darker place mentally due to external factors. When I've been nursing someone dying, when I've been coping with my own serious illness and weirdly enough when I was pregnant and not particularly well but my hormones were running riot. All times when my body had decided to respond in certain ways but I wasn't feeling particularly sexy and certainly wasn't in the mood to read about people being joyfully consensual. I was feeling angry, hurt and powerless and I wanted to either read about other people angry hurt and powerless or get that feeling out by writing it down. I wanted to hurt someone to feel better and I wasn't about to hurt a real person so I could hurt an entirely imaginary one.

Swg · 29/03/2023 11:09

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 10:57

Thank you! I might check it out!

Anyway @Swg if you are interested in doig your own research on some of the findings I mentioned in my pp, the easiest way in is to start with the writings of Sarah Ditum and Mary Harrington, they both have Substacks, and from here you will be signposted to academic articles detailing the various studies done on the effects of specifically audiovisual online porn and why it leads to people accessing extreme content faster than the printed word ever could. Likewise with printed books vs the stuff you can now find on literotica. Some of these articles are accessible via JSTOR which you can sign up to for free, some you;'ll need to pay a small fee.

Sarah Ditum has an essay called 'Porn will destroy you' which is a decent place to start. :-)

Again I don't understand how this is even slightly relevant to the OP'S topic.

Fluffodils · 29/03/2023 11:12

So Mafia porn is literally porn involving the mafia?! How bizarre

ReneBumsWombats · 29/03/2023 11:15

Fluffodils · 29/03/2023 11:12

So Mafia porn is literally porn involving the mafia?! How bizarre

What's bizarre about it? Powerful and potentially dangerous is the trope.

Fluffodils · 29/03/2023 11:18

ReneBumsWombats · 29/03/2023 11:15

What's bizarre about it? Powerful and potentially dangerous is the trope.

I guess. I've just never associated organised crime and porn , not in that way anyway.

LBFseBrom · 29/03/2023 11:19

ReneBumsWombats · 29/03/2023 10:39

Out of this kind of story?

From imagining being the young, innocent, desirable and fertile woman who isn't responsible for all the things the powerful older man causes to happen, driven by his enormous desire for her.

Oh right, thank you. It might have fascinated me as a young teenager but certainly not to the point of orgasm. What a horrible thought!

tabulahrasa · 29/03/2023 11:20

Swg · 29/03/2023 11:00

It wasn't actually that clear tbh. And honestly as I said the author probably isn't doing it on purpose and blocking it on Facebook (and possibly politely letting them know) is the best tactic.

Social media algorithms are weird and getting weirder and as authors are getting increasingly pushed to do their own advertising mistakes can happen with no malicious intent whatsoever. Chances are the real villain here is Facebook.

It wasn’t an ad though, the author is a friend of a friend and the OP went on to the author’s Facebook profile.

ReneBumsWombats · 29/03/2023 11:21

Fluffodils · 29/03/2023 11:18

I guess. I've just never associated organised crime and porn , not in that way anyway.

Never heard of a gangster's moll?

Mafia isn't my thing either, but powerful and faintly menacing men will never leave erotica.

24KaratCucumber · 29/03/2023 11:24

It's sick and immoral and highlights just how sex and kink obsessed the world is getting.

It pisses me off.

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 11:27

Fluffodils · 29/03/2023 11:03

That's sick

Yeah. Especially when it comes to gay br33ding porn.

I agree with the PP who said we should definitely kink-shame more.

ReneBumsWombats · 29/03/2023 11:30

24KaratCucumber · 29/03/2023 11:24

It's sick and immoral and highlights just how sex and kink obsessed the world is getting.

It pisses me off.

It isn't new.

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 11:30

Swg · 29/03/2023 11:09

Again I don't understand how this is even slightly relevant to the OP'S topic.

Because it's relevant to online porn as a whole. Also the literotica site which OP's example seems to have been written for because of the categories listed next to the stars. 'Br33ding' is a category for unsafe sex. Teacher / 30 year age gap / v!rgin are code for categories involving underage protagonists.

My point is that the online, immediate availability and escalating content served online is very different to you reading Flowers in the Attic when you were 14, which is one of the examples you gave.

Fluffodils · 29/03/2023 11:31

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 11:27

Yeah. Especially when it comes to gay br33ding porn.

I agree with the PP who said we should definitely kink-shame more.

How on earth does gay bre33ding porn work?

Not sure I want to know

24KaratCucumber · 29/03/2023 11:34

Fluffodils · 29/03/2023 11:31

How on earth does gay bre33ding porn work?

Not sure I want to know

Unprotected sodomy

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 11:37

24KaratCucumber · 29/03/2023 11:34

Unprotected sodomy

Yes but it's a bit more than that. Some people use latex babies which can be fully inserted. It's very easy to find videos on pornhub and stories on litererotica. Your teen could be reading one now.

It's a problem and need regulating imho.

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