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Do you think ‘work hard, play hard’ or ‘work less, earn a bit less, relax a bit more’ families are happier?

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WaggyTailsWetNoses · 28/03/2023 16:22

Our family is probably somewhere in the middle (good jobs but one part time, we enjoy travel, cultural activities and seeing friends, but find too much organised fun draining and a family sofa evening) so I’ve no particular vested interest in the answer. A couple of personal experiences have just got me reflecting on this.

I’d always assumed the work less, relax more families would be happier and closer. Given everything we hear about quality of life/ work-life balance. But several friends who consciously chose this life ten years or so ago are struggling, bored and frustrated. Despite their lives seeming like a manual for wholesome living on the outside, or an extended version of what people say they enjoyed during lockdown perhaps. Their DH’s seem happy enough, but quite set in their ways, which perhaps causes tension. And friends are sad that they can’t afford to offer their kids experiences and things. And their kids seem no less prone to anxiety, troubles at school etc. In contrast, we had a rare meeting with old friends last week. Both parents very senior management consultants, employ nannies, busy social lives, material wealth. I was struck by how much their family seemed like a chaotic but loving little team, and everyone’s needs appeared to be met just fine.

I know it’s different for different families. But perhaps the relaxed lifestyle we are sometimes encouraged to aspire to isn’t always a panacea?

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ShiverOfSharks · 28/03/2023 16:23

Or maybe, just maybe, the same thing doesn't suit all families?

Snorlaxing · 28/03/2023 16:27

Depends on the actual numbers and circumstances involved.
You can't really relax if you have financial stress and no support if things go wrong eg redundancy

Steakandquinoa · 28/03/2023 16:29

Yeah, I’m sure it depends on the individual personalities that make up the family.
We were work less, spend less (although we did run a scout group so were working unpaid at that for many years when children were young, lots of low cost outdoor activities for them). We enjoyed lots of family time and our DS and DD get on so well as siblings. DS has carried on in our chilled way but DD has now stepped up a bit and enjoying a bit more of the high life.

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IslandMeat · 28/03/2023 16:30

It depends what your values in life and priorities are.
Some people can't relax if they don't have the rush of a pressured job, some people don't find family time relaxing, some people feel relaxed when they have a fat bank balance.
As my DH works so much, we're fortunate to be ok for money but I do miss him and we're not seeing him as much as we'd like. I don't think you can have everything in life, just try to make the best of what you have and what suits your family.

Choconut · 28/03/2023 16:30

Personally I wouldn't give up having had a SAHM or being a SAHM for all the money, nannies and luxury foreign holidays in the world. Fortunately DH earns ok so we're quite comfortable and happy to stay in cheap airbnbs on holiday.

MrsJBaptiste · 28/03/2023 16:32

We definitely work hard, play hard (we're not on MN salaries!) but we do well.

However this has been pushed upon us and we'd probably be more than happy working in lower level jobs but we'd still be going out 3 x times a week

WaggyTailsWetNoses · 28/03/2023 16:45

MrsJBaptiste ooh. I enjoy working and seeing people but no way could I manage going out 3 times a week! But I’m also terrible at relaxing by doing nothing. People have said our holidays sound exhausting, but luckily we are all on (roughly) the same page.

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frozendaisy · 28/03/2023 17:48

Work less, earn a bit less, relax more here.

Girasoli · 28/03/2023 17:53

I'd like to work less, play hard ideally! In my ideal world I'd work P/T but still afford to live in a nice area, go on one holiday per year, and let the DC do a couple of extracurricular each. I don't really need any fancy hobbies - I like reading/baking/and going to the pub every couple of months.

As it is we both have to work full time to achieve the above, and tbh we both could do with earning a bit more if we want to buy within a mile or two of where we are renting now.

stayathomer · 28/03/2023 17:54

Great question! I look at friends who do reduced hours and they’re the ones that talk the most about money worries, but relaxed and happy in the everyday, then I look at my ‘work hard, play hard’ friends (mostly family!) and they are literally having holidays because they’re about to fall over from exhaustion. All conversations are about work, they’re more tuned out, whereas the others would chat away. But then when you hear the others worry … I don’t know, it’s a great question!!

lucylantern · 28/03/2023 17:56

It really depends what you enjoy and what motivates you. I am not that interested in exotic holidays but I have friends who live for them. I also know people who are extremely motivated by career success and find it genuinely fulfilling, which I’ve never really experienced.

ChickenMacaroni · 28/03/2023 17:58

Like Julia on Motherland, I'm "much more work hard, watch Poldark hard."

FrostyFifi · 28/03/2023 17:58

I always assumed that "work hard, play hard" was code for work in sales and cain it and snort cocaine on Friday nights.

WaggyTailsWetNoses · 28/03/2023 17:59

stayathomer yes, the money worries are an element for friends I’ve spoken to. But boredom seems an issue too. Not day to day boredom, more a lack of a sense of achieving something ‘bigger’ than day to day life, or struggling to find momentum. Some friends have become quite anxious about life.

I can relate to the exhaustion of ‘work hard’ too though. I’m so ready for term to finish and to go on holiday (and as a part timer, I spent most of the afternoon having my nails/ waxing done and overseeing DD’s haircut!)

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WaggyTailsWetNoses · 28/03/2023 18:02

ChickenMacaroni · 28/03/2023 17:58

Like Julia on Motherland, I'm "much more work hard, watch Poldark hard."

That’s more my bag, to be honest. Although maybe Poldark would be a step up from our current Death in Paradise streak.

I’ll have been out Sunday, Thursday and Friday evening this week ( although two outings allowed me to be home by 7.30) and it’s very bothersome.

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Cornwallinthesun · 28/03/2023 18:02

I'm currently in the work less, stress less camp but my god its BORING. Even the kids are bored.

We're moving to a work more, play more and live somewhere more fun (300 miles away) and have more holidays. (Both jobs have unlimited holiday!)

ClassicLib · 28/03/2023 18:02

It depends on the people as individuals, and ‘work less, earn less, relax more’ is only a realistic option for the well paid middle class professionals who can afford it.
Some friends of ours, who are both hospital doctors, both work PT. They and their three children live a very happy, but also very non-materialistic, life in a beautiful part of the country. They have consciously traded wardrobes full of designer clothes, a shiny new Mercedes on the drive etc etc for more free time and it works well for them. I admire them.

SlicerAndEcho · 28/03/2023 18:05

This year I’m working a bit harder for extra money, and I have no energy for play harder. Next year I’m putting my hours back to standard. I’ll earn less but I’ll get more done outside of work with more energy.

Trekkingaway · 28/03/2023 18:07

I don't think anyone is either one or the other their whole life, it's different at different times of life. Work hard play hard is fun for a while but can end with burnout, stepping back too early or for too long can get boring.

HelenaHurricane · 28/03/2023 18:10

In an ideal world DH or I would SAH, but we can't afford it! I don't think there's any right answer and I don't think there is as much choice in the matter as people make out. I don't have a high power job that means I'd be able to hire nannies and the like if I worked long hours. So I work normal ft office hours and then look after kids the rest of the time. Same for DH. If the option to do either extreme was there, we might take it, but it isn't.

My dad made a lot of money and my mum SAH. She wasn't always that happy though. I think she'd have been better off working tbh.

MissLucyLiu · 28/03/2023 18:12

Depends on what you value in life! You can try to not care about going on nice holidays, living in nice houses, eating at nice restaurants etc etc etc but I am not one of those people and it is not something I can simple tell myself change my mindset!

Oysterbabe · 28/03/2023 18:14

I took paycut recently because I wanted a less stressful job. I'm happiest with a simple life and maximum time to relax with my family

WontLetThoseRobotsDefeatMe · 28/03/2023 18:24

Work a bit less, earn a bit less, live a bit more.

I changed careers to recover from a breakdown, and then changed sectors again to work in a lower paid but more rewarding sector. I've turned down the chance of moving onto a promotion fast track, I'd rather do what I do and be able to have time outside of work.

I had a bereavement 18 months ago and am still finding things difficult, so it's certainly not all smooth sailing but there's no way I'd have got through it with a super high hours, stress work life as well.

I think think it's very much horses for courses though.

berksandbeyond · 28/03/2023 18:26

We’ve got a mix. I deliberately don’t work full time so as to balance my husband who works a full on senior role, but still enable us to have the lifestyle we wanted for our child. We are aware we could have a lot more money if I went back to full time but right now we don’t need the money and prefer the lifestyle benefits of my foot being off the gas slightly!

MyriadOfTravels · 28/03/2023 18:43

Not everyone will be happy with the same set up.

For some people, working hard is great because they enjoy their job and find meaning in it. For those who dont, the 'work hard' is going to be hard to swallow.
Then some people can afford to work hard, physicaly/health wise whereas others don't. I am certainly one of them. I'd have loved nothing more than work 45 or 50 hours week on my job. Except that if I had done that, I would made myself very ill indeed.

Some peole enjoy the rural life/being self sufficient/back to nature (but with little money) whilst others thrive on being in a city and doing artictic suff (Im thinking plays, museums whatever)

The most important thing is to live your life your way, followig your own values/what is truly important for you. NOT according to what other people are telling you is making a great life.

eg you'll be happy to work hard if there is meaning in your work.
You'll be content with having less or less holidays if you truly value the little day to day moments you share with family (aka your'e not getting ressentful or jealous to have 'less' than others because having 'less' means nothing to you)