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Really impressed with the budget

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Fullrecoveryispossible · 15/03/2023 13:34

I’ll give it to the chancellor. He delivered a bloody good budget today. Childcare reform (including increasing rates paid to providers by 30%) and 30 hours free for 1&2 year olds. Uk has avoided recession despite a global pandemic and Ukrainian war, more money on occupational health, plan to get more people into work

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tiger2691 · 15/03/2023 23:45

Gilead · 15/03/2023 20:38

I note the disabled have been fucked over again.

Indeed, but, some charities apart, no one seems to care.

keffie12 · 16/03/2023 00:12

Fullrecoveryispossible · 15/03/2023 13:34

I’ll give it to the chancellor. He delivered a bloody good budget today. Childcare reform (including increasing rates paid to providers by 30%) and 30 hours free for 1&2 year olds. Uk has avoided recession despite a global pandemic and Ukrainian war, more money on occupational health, plan to get more people into work

You only get the childcare for 38 weeks of the year at 30 hours or 22 hours, will give you 52 weeks. What do you do in the next 2 years, until it comes in. You need to look at the small print

Soapnutty · 16/03/2023 00:24

inews.co.uk/opinion/jeremy-hunt-budget-dont-be-dazzled-small-print-catastrophe-2210273

“But there is a new tradition with Budgets, which started in 2010. We start with the aspirational poetry of the chancellor. Then, when he sits down, we read the mortifying prose of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) economic and fiscal outlook report. And the bleak reality of our predicament stares us in the face.

It’s been this way since the OBR was established by George Osborne in 2010. There’s rarely been anything heartening in the document since the organisation was born, because the post-financial crash story of Britain is one of stasis, confusion, sporadic bursts of mania and perpetual decline. We were battered by the crash, then stagnated, then experienced a period of frenzied political volatility triggered by Brexit, then were hit by a succession of external shocks in the form of Covid and Ukraine, and then, in a final coup-de-grace, we detonated our own economy under Truss.
Hunt no longer wants us to mention this decline, because it is not politically convenient. So instead he has stitched together a positive narrative from the meagre fibres available to him.

Inflation peaked at 11.1 per cent in October and is expected to fall to 2.9 per cent by the end of the year. The economic downturn will be shorter and shallower than expected. But the underlying structural problems of the British economy have not disappeared. And the brute impact on people’s lives has not gone away either.

Real household income, the best gauge of actual living standards, will fall by 5.7 per cent in the two year period between 2022 and 2024. It’s the largest fall since records began in 1956-7. Real living standards in 2027-28 will still be 0.4 per cent lower than they were before the pandemic. It is a vision of hopelessness – a glimpse into the long-term wretchedness we truly face.

The underlying failures that contribute to these national decline are investment, labour market participation and productivity. Business investment has stagnated since 2016, because of the Brexit vote. It would have almost certainly recovered if a close relationship with Europe had been quickly established, but instead we experienced a period of prolonged uncertainty and chaos followed by a distant one. Who invests when they cannot guarantee the environment into which they are doing so?

Hunt plans to address this with full capital expensing, which allows firms to deduct investment spending from profits and therefore pay less tax. But it’s only in place for the next three years, meaning that if anything it’ll provide a quick sugar rush without sustained investment to follow. It’s a decent move, but one in which the usual policy zig-zags are evident – lack of long-term planning potential, lack of sustained policy-making, lack of certainty.

Labour market participation has fallen dramatically since the pandemic. Some of this is from well off older workers figuring they might as well retire and some from the long-term sick. Hunt tried to address it with the childcare announcement and reform of disability work arrangements. But he is unlikely to be successful.

Productivity has grown at less than half its pre-financial crisis rate since 2010, and the problem has now been compounded by the pandemic and soaring energy costs. It is the great puzzle-horror of the British economy, connected to lack of investment, regional disparity and sluggish growth. There are no answers from what we heard from the Chancellor today.

These are the rotten foundations upon which Hunt wants to build his house of optimism. “Gas prices remain more than twice their pre-pandemic level,” the OBR says, “which, when added to the stagnation in business investment since 2016, the recent rise in labour market inactivity, and the slowdown in productivity growth since the financial crisis, means that there remains weak underlying momentum.”

Hunt put the best possible face on a terrible situation today. But his smile is nervous and tentative. When it breaks, you can see his private recognition of the disaster we face. Some of that is, as Hunt likes to insist, a result of external factors. But much of it is to do with the decisions his party has taken and the ones it has not.”

Divorcedalongtime · 16/03/2023 00:43

5 billion extra for defence, I’m not very impressed with the budget.

Cariadm · 16/03/2023 04:21

OP...just incase you hadn't noticed...While Hunt was smugly pontificating and fortune telling in the House of Commons THOUSANDS of public sector workers were freezing there backsides off on picket lines all over the country! Junior Doctors, who apparently get paid less than a barista and who are frustrated and stressed that they can't do the job properly because they're doing the job of two people and are exhausted most of the time! Teachers who are also totally fed up with the massive work load and lack of respect and trust shown to them, in both cases, pay is a secondary issue! Was there even a mention of the strikes and civil unrest tearing the country apart...of course not!! What we got was how GREAT it is that we're not in recession and that they intend to help with the cost of childcare but hang on, beginning over a year from now because they know there aren't enough staffed Nurseries to cope with it atm and it will be nearer to the election! They are transparent, predictable and useless and there was nothing in this budget to suggest that anything will change from how it's been for the last 13 years!! 🙄😏

pompomdaisy · 16/03/2023 04:26

It's a budget of smoke and mirrors and designed to impress people who fail to look at the detail.

Bloopsie · 16/03/2023 05:52

Fullrecoveryispossible · 15/03/2023 13:34

I’ll give it to the chancellor. He delivered a bloody good budget today. Childcare reform (including increasing rates paid to providers by 30%) and 30 hours free for 1&2 year olds. Uk has avoided recession despite a global pandemic and Ukrainian war, more money on occupational health, plan to get more people into work

Separating 9 month old from their mums is brutal, in the country i was born in there is a higher child benefit than the uk, also family support payment for families with 3 or more children and muma receive minimum salary or what they earned before maternity leave for 12 months.

Hunt seems too shift the blame of bad gov decisions onto stay at home mothers. Where are the feminists now

ScandiNoirNuit · 16/03/2023 07:04

Not very impressed with removal of pensions cap _ surely that is just a handout to the super wealthy? I understand it is ostensibly to encourage doctors back, but if that was really the case then surely it could have been limited just to nhs professionals?

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 16/03/2023 07:09

ScandiNoirNuit · 16/03/2023 07:04

Not very impressed with removal of pensions cap _ surely that is just a handout to the super wealthy? I understand it is ostensibly to encourage doctors back, but if that was really the case then surely it could have been limited just to nhs professionals?

In a Budget? I don't know if a chancellor could implement NHS pension reform or do it by sector. How would that work?

ScandiNoirNuit · 16/03/2023 07:16

Apparently they did it for judiciary some time ago.
just seems like a massive tax cut limited to the very wealthiest.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 16/03/2023 07:21

ScandiNoirNuit · 16/03/2023 07:16

Apparently they did it for judiciary some time ago.
just seems like a massive tax cut limited to the very wealthiest.

The chancellor did? I didn't know anything about that.

Zonder · 16/03/2023 07:21

Fullrecoveryispossible · 15/03/2023 13:34

I’ll give it to the chancellor. He delivered a bloody good budget today. Childcare reform (including increasing rates paid to providers by 30%) and 30 hours free for 1&2 year olds. Uk has avoided recession despite a global pandemic and Ukrainian war, more money on occupational health, plan to get more people into work

This was tongue in cheek to get people talking, right? A budget for the rich with his pension tax cuts and nothing for anyone else. We all know the childcare stuff won't actually happen, which is why the date is so far in the future.
twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1636135370759839744?t=GdQjzdLmCwc0zCFdKOUopQ&s=19

4amigos · 16/03/2023 07:22

It’s astounding how easily manipulated people are. I’m not impressed with their budget in any way shape or form. Also do proper research into the 30hours it’s not at all what it seems in black and white. But the tories will be delighted a few little vote winning statements and their flavour of the month again. I see right through everything they’ve proposed.

RobinRobinMouse · 16/03/2023 07:26

Well from this thread it unfortunately looks as though Tory lies are yet again to be believed. Nothing they've said convinces me they genuinely care about this country and its people, they are just so desperate to win votes in the run up to the election (which will no doubt be announced soonish). Furthermore, nothing I've heard has made me forget their utter contempt and dreadful behaviour.

Weedoormatnomore · 16/03/2023 07:38

Didn't even bother watching. Sounded more like a manifesto than a budget if its things in the future. Might not be in recession but this country feels like it people having to go to community buildings to stay warm. More people than ever needing to use food banks.

onlythesparrow · 16/03/2023 07:42

It's all about the votes!

Middleagedspreadisreal · 16/03/2023 07:45

Cariadm · 16/03/2023 04:21

OP...just incase you hadn't noticed...While Hunt was smugly pontificating and fortune telling in the House of Commons THOUSANDS of public sector workers were freezing there backsides off on picket lines all over the country! Junior Doctors, who apparently get paid less than a barista and who are frustrated and stressed that they can't do the job properly because they're doing the job of two people and are exhausted most of the time! Teachers who are also totally fed up with the massive work load and lack of respect and trust shown to them, in both cases, pay is a secondary issue! Was there even a mention of the strikes and civil unrest tearing the country apart...of course not!! What we got was how GREAT it is that we're not in recession and that they intend to help with the cost of childcare but hang on, beginning over a year from now because they know there aren't enough staffed Nurseries to cope with it atm and it will be nearer to the election! They are transparent, predictable and useless and there was nothing in this budget to suggest that anything will change from how it's been for the last 13 years!! 🙄😏

This! Also, IF (hopefully) Labour get in, they'll pick up the tab for it. The Tories don't give the working man/woman anything. They just take away. Wake up OP!

3WildOnes · 16/03/2023 07:47

FlyOnAWing · 15/03/2023 20:16

@crisscross101 You are not the squeezed middle, you are a high earner. Choosing to buy an expensive house with be expensive.

Exactly! It so ridiculous that people can't see what a privileged position they are in. We have a similar income to @crisscross101 live in London, pay for one child to attend private school and go on at least two holidays every year. 120k is a comfortable household income.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 16/03/2023 07:48

Ta. Are you saying the NHS could do the same thing for their pension scheme and make it 'unregistered' like the judicial system?

ScandiNoirNuit · 16/03/2023 07:59

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 16/03/2023 07:48

Ta. Are you saying the NHS could do the same thing for their pension scheme and make it 'unregistered' like the judicial system?

I have no idea how they could reform pension rules to only benefit doctors affected by LTA, but I’m sure there must be a better way than just handing top 1% a massive tax cut. Beth Rigby has quoted it as costing £0.8-£1bn.

Benefits v high earners and senior public sector rather than low/avg earners in any way. And pension pot can then be passed on inheritance tax free so seems like a further loophole has been expanded!

SheilaFentiman · 16/03/2023 08:00

I don’t think that would work for the NHS. Hundreds of thousands of people work for the NHS and only a fraction are the higher paid doctors that are at issue. I don’t think it would work to opt the whole scheme out for nurses, cleaners etc. The point of the JPS opt out is, presumably, that it’s small numbers and all are highly paid.

SheilaFentiman · 16/03/2023 08:02

“And pension pot can then be passed on inheritance tax free so seems like a further loophole has been expanded!”

presumably this is only the case if the person dies before retirement - ?

onlythesparrow · 16/03/2023 08:03

The childcare isn't 'free'. It is at great expense to childcare providers and will cause the inevitable closure of many high quality settings.

This!!

SheilaFentiman · 16/03/2023 08:05

“A pension from a defined benefit pot can usually only be paid to a dependant of the person who died, for example a husband, wife, civil partner or child under 23. It can sometimes be paid to someone else if the pension scheme’s rules allow it - but it will be taxed at up to 55% as an unauthorised payment.

So I think the NHS pension scheme would pay a spousal pension on death of the doctor, nurse etc but it’s not a tax-free general pass

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