Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Disrespectful to make fun of another poster because they speak and write differently because they are from the US

301 replies

StopThinkBeforeYouJudge · 13/03/2023 00:48

Just that really.
I saw a post and within it another poster decided it was annoying the way another poster had written the word "y'all".Plenty of Southerners,not just Texans used this word daily.It was really strange how she kept on about it and even said we "y'all " sayers shouldn't even write it out here on mumsnet. Personally I'm from the state that has lots of tornadoes fyi.
But I've never seen anyone nor would I ever dare tell another poster how to spell words or how to put them on paper,EVER.
It's not a UK,US thing at all.
I just think we need to respect each other more.
I'm aware there will be some that come for me on here,but I will still continue to encourage us all to respect each other more.

OP posts:
BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 15:39

mbosnz · 13/03/2023 15:37

I think many things are prattish, but using y'all surely isn't one of them.

That poster couldn't be looking any more intensely into a mirror while posting twaddle and pointing fingers if they tried.

Sarahcoggles · 13/03/2023 15:41

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 10:07

But Brits using American words (gotten, diaper, bangs, sidewalk) is really bloody annoying. It's done to be cool, and I think it's really sad that people think American English is preferable to our own version.

This is your interpretation and perception. You should do something about it and don't project it on others.

Some people are influenced by different things and don't use it to make others feel small (because that's really what people who say these things feel and it's their problem). Why should they? They're just words/language.

@BlessYourHeartHoney nothing wrong with my perception. It's sad and pathetic when people choose to abandon their language for one that they've seen on TV.
People have the right to talk how they want, I have the right to think they sound pathetic.

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 15:45

Others also have the right to think it's pathetic to care so much about how people talk that you think they sound pathetic for talking how they want.

Sarahcoggles · 13/03/2023 15:47

mbosnz · 13/03/2023 13:10

I used the term diaper and other 'Americanisms' because it afforded me so much amusement watching my parents getting their knickers in a twist about it. If they were going to get so upset about such a silly thing, well, all I can say is that they basically handed me a stick with which to beat them. . .

What a very strange post

Goldenbear · 13/03/2023 15:49

Some U.S TV programmes/films don't help as they portray British people as either evil but also clever or formal and intelligent/sophisticated. Essentially, it is American writers reinforcing the idea that the difference is superior, the RP accent is something to be impressed by because obviously anybody speaking with RP or modern RP accent is naturally going to be intelligent! I'm sure this is changing but it has certainly been the case for a long time.

mbosnz · 13/03/2023 15:51

What a very strange post

What can I say? I was a teenager with a warped sense of humour. And I've always found it so amusing when people get what seems to me to be overly bent out of shape over such trivia.

Sarahcoggles · 13/03/2023 15:54

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 15:45

Others also have the right to think it's pathetic to care so much about how people talk that you think they sound pathetic for talking how they want.

They do indeed. But they started it by trying to sound cool. Embarrassing for them really.

Sarahcoggles · 13/03/2023 15:56

mbosnz · 13/03/2023 15:51

What a very strange post

What can I say? I was a teenager with a warped sense of humour. And I've always found it so amusing when people get what seems to me to be overly bent out of shape over such trivia.

Bizarre

ScentOfAMemory · 13/03/2023 15:57

Sarahcoggles · 13/03/2023 15:35

In 50 years I never heard the word gotten. Now it's everywhere. OK so maybe it's always been used in some parts of the UK but you have to acknowledge that now it's everywhere, in a way it wasn't previously.

But..surely that makes you happy? "Gotten" came first, went over the Atlantic where it stayed, while British English decided the time it took to say "en" was too long and chopped it off. Now, rather like Gary Lineker, it is perhaps coming home...

JenniferBarkley · 13/03/2023 16:00

ScentOfAMemory · 13/03/2023 15:57

But..surely that makes you happy? "Gotten" came first, went over the Atlantic where it stayed, while British English decided the time it took to say "en" was too long and chopped it off. Now, rather like Gary Lineker, it is perhaps coming home...

Not to mention we read much more informal communications from people from different regions now than we used to.

ScentOfAMemory · 13/03/2023 16:02

JenniferBarkley · 13/03/2023 16:00

Not to mention we read much more informal communications from people from different regions now than we used to.

Absolutely. Brilliant, isn't it. Was only telling my students recently how lucky they are to be exposed to all this wonderful language and variations.

mathanxiety · 13/03/2023 16:04

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 14:55

I know quite a broad cross section of people and most if not all would agree with me I would say. Most people do think if you go round using American slang when you aren’t from or in North America then yes you are a Wally. I wouldn’t have thought that was controversial. Are you surprised by that??

Is that not just the proverbial Teddibly British Problem, though? The awkwardness...

I can think of lots of slang from the US that has found its way into British English.
Some examples here:
www.berlitz.com/blog/american-slang-words

mathanxiety · 13/03/2023 16:09

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 14:55

I know quite a broad cross section of people and most if not all would agree with me I would say. Most people do think if you go round using American slang when you aren’t from or in North America then yes you are a Wally. I wouldn’t have thought that was controversial. Are you surprised by that??

Projection, much?

Wallaw · 13/03/2023 16:18

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 15:11

You silly thing. I have friends from the proverbial Duke to dustman. I know and work for and with quite a lot of different kinds of people. I have a pretty good feel for how people feel about things generally. And most people think if you use y’all, etc but you are not from the USA you are a bit of a plonker/Wally/wanker.

@Eyerollcentral

You silly thing. I have friends from the proverbial Duke to dustman. I know and work for and with quite a lot of different kinds of people. I have a pretty good feel for how people feel about things generally. And most people think if you use y’all, etc but you are not from the USA you are a bit of a plonker/Wally/wanker.

Is it a proverbial Duke and and actual dustman? If so, are their opinions given equal weight? I mean, the Duke would have precedence, but surely if he's only proverbial, that's theoretical. Or are they both proverbial? As, I would guess, are most of the acquaintances in such agreement with y'all (hint: proverbial does not equal imaginary). 😂

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 16:18

They do indeed. But they started it by trying to sound cool. Embarrassing for them really.

That's what I don't get - thinking they're "trying to sound cool" means you think it's "cool" to sound that way. That's probably why so much angst at people minding their own business.

Others don't see it as anything remarkable, positively or negatively, so they don't care how people talk. As I keep saying, they're just words.

xJoy · 13/03/2023 16:23

I like y'all! The English language is crying out for a word for you plural. In Ireland you here 'ye' in the country and yooz in Dublin, not everybody obviously but the words evolved out of bafflement I think, that there's no word for you plural.

On a serious note, I agree, I cannot understan why posters act like they've been asked to mark exam papers. These are posts on a forum, not papers you're grading. It's so unkind. I've even seen posters put up a post about something really serious and upsetting and the examiners take a swipe at them. Horrible!

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 16:24

Sarahcoggles · 13/03/2023 15:56

Bizarre

It definitely isn't bizarre or strange to continue saying what you will and let those who seem to have little emotional control over trivia keep seething. It's fun, hun. Y'all should try it.

mbosnz · 13/03/2023 16:31

What I find bizarre is how so many people seem to think that the only 'correct' way is the way they think is correct, and seemingly little capacity for tolerance of other ways of thinking or behaving.

I mean, obviously we all think that our way is the correct way, but surely there should be a degree of understanding that opinions may vary?

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 16:43

mathanxiety · 13/03/2023 16:04

Is that not just the proverbial Teddibly British Problem, though? The awkwardness...

I can think of lots of slang from the US that has found its way into British English.
Some examples here:
www.berlitz.com/blog/american-slang-words

Of course slang migrates. Using ‘y’all’ is a deliberate affectation. It’s the affectation that makes it cringe, the artifice.

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 16:44

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 15:39

That poster couldn't be looking any more intensely into a mirror while posting twaddle and pointing fingers if they tried.

I know you don’t like it but lol

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 16:47

Haha what, I don't like "Lol"?

I love "lol" hun. I'm not the one who has a problem with how people speak. I'm making fun because I think it's hypocritical to have your version of acceptable slangs, affectations and words but God help anyone else who uses what you deem as unacceptable. Lol

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 16:50

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 15:35

You're getting irate for no reason. I already conceded to your wisdom.

Most people think so, says you, your Grace. I stand corrected. You know it all and you know most people, including most people I know. Is there still a problem, your highness? You do you y'all.

Not a trace of being irate, not sure why you would think there was based on any of my posts.

mathanxiety · 13/03/2023 16:51

Watching American tv is not being immersed in it. I have a brother who has actually lived in the Deep South for more than 15 years. His spouse and children all speak with southern American accents. I am yet to hear him say y’all, and he actually lives there. As children myself and many other children here in N. Ireland were sent to the USA during the summer time to stay with American families who kindly took us in. There was always maybe one child out of 100 who came back after 6 weeks talking with an American accent and claiming they didn’t even realise they were doing it. Of course they did, it’s called attention seeking. If a ten year old knows this, so does an adult.

@Eyerollcentral

Issues around feeling repulsed by 'attention seeking' or 'trying too hard' probably go right to the heart of your problem with other people's choice of words, something that really shouldn't elicit the strong reaction you're posting here.

It's a very specific set of cultural issues affecting the British, this discomfort with what they perceive as 'attention seeking' or 'trying too hard' (or being 'pretentious'). It's bound up with the class system. It goes hand in hand with being embarrassed for other people, another theme of several posts here.

The fixation with and judgement of other people's motives comes from a certain type of British cultural background, one where staying in your own lane is highly valued. All the assumptions behind the identification and judgement of 'attention seeking' is cultural baggage you carry. It should all be picked apart and held up for examination. Very little of it is useful.

.....................
And while I don't mean this post to centre around whether a child of ten could pick up an accent easily and continue to speak in that accent easily and unselfconsciously - of course he could. Humans pick up language through exposure, from birth. Was the 1 out of 100 children who retained the American accent directly challenged about it all those decades ago? Was he the subject of conversations behind his back? How very sad, if so.

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 16:52

Very well said @mathanxiety

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 16:52

Sarahcoggles · 13/03/2023 15:54

They do indeed. But they started it by trying to sound cool. Embarrassing for them really.

Spot on.