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Disrespectful to make fun of another poster because they speak and write differently because they are from the US

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StopThinkBeforeYouJudge · 13/03/2023 00:48

Just that really.
I saw a post and within it another poster decided it was annoying the way another poster had written the word "y'all".Plenty of Southerners,not just Texans used this word daily.It was really strange how she kept on about it and even said we "y'all " sayers shouldn't even write it out here on mumsnet. Personally I'm from the state that has lots of tornadoes fyi.
But I've never seen anyone nor would I ever dare tell another poster how to spell words or how to put them on paper,EVER.
It's not a UK,US thing at all.
I just think we need to respect each other more.
I'm aware there will be some that come for me on here,but I will still continue to encourage us all to respect each other more.

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Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 13:03

dreamingbohemian · 13/03/2023 12:57

Poseur is not an English word. It is a French word that English people use. Despite not being from France or speaking French otherwise. So, can be seen as an affectation, especially when the English word 'poser' is right there.

I don't think French people should mock you for using it. But by your logic, they can and that's ok.

(The first use of poseur in English was the 19th century btw, this is not one of those historical Norman relics.)

The word has been adopted in to English usage, from the French. You can play it in scrabble because it is an English word and appears in the dictionary. Poseur is defined as an English word.

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 13/03/2023 13:06

@Eyerollcentral the light reflecting off your glass house on top of this odd hill you've chosen is twisting my melon, man. Peace out.

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 13/03/2023 13:08

@dreamingbohemian it's an endlessly evolving, fascinating subject.
(I'm in NW England and we say, "youse" here. Big Irish Gaelic influence.)

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 13:09

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 13/03/2023 13:06

@Eyerollcentral the light reflecting off your glass house on top of this odd hill you've chosen is twisting my melon, man. Peace out.

What’s odd about thinking English (or Irish) people who use y’all are twits? They are!

mbosnz · 13/03/2023 13:10

I used the term diaper and other 'Americanisms' because it afforded me so much amusement watching my parents getting their knickers in a twist about it. If they were going to get so upset about such a silly thing, well, all I can say is that they basically handed me a stick with which to beat them. . .

whumpthereitis · 13/03/2023 13:16

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 12:41

No I’m afraid I’m not buying that. Apart from the fact that the people who routinely affect to use American slang despite being English are the kind of deeply annoying person who does it deliberately, these are not people immersed in American slang.

Lol, I don’t require you to ‘buy it’. Whether you accept it or not has zero bearing on the fact that it’s true. Of course they’re immersed in American slang, by virtue of consuming media.

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 13/03/2023 13:16

@Eyerollcentral because you seem really angry about this one bit of language, telling people that words should only be used in extremely serious and precise ways, but your own posting style is littered with grammatical errors and colloquialisms (none of which i have a problem with, but I'm not telling people I'm better than them, words-wise). It just seems strange to me, that's all. Meh. Le shrug. U do u bbz

dreamingbohemian · 13/03/2023 13:19

Poseur is originally a French word. That 19th century Brits started using in what can fairly be called an affectation. It might be in the English dictionary now, but this was after long use and acceptance. Which could also happen to y'all! That's the point, people borrow words from other languages all the time, language evolves, get over it.

Nobody is suggesting y'all be taught as standard English in schools, it's just slang. Same way that Americans are now picking up 'dodgy' and 'bloody' from all the British shows becoming popular in the US.

dreamingbohemian · 13/03/2023 13:21

@LadyWindermeresOnlyFans I'm from the most Irish part of the US, I assume that's probably why we say youse as well? Have never read into it though.

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 13/03/2023 13:22

Enough of this arguing, y'all! I'm sure we can all agree that when "fanny pack" makes it over here, that's when civilisation is truly doomed... Wink

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 13/03/2023 13:23

@dreamingbohemian oh that's interesting! I've not looked into it but that sounds plausible at least.

whumpthereitis · 13/03/2023 13:24

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 13:03

The word has been adopted in to English usage, from the French. You can play it in scrabble because it is an English word and appears in the dictionary. Poseur is defined as an English word.

It was, is, a loan word from the French language. From the French word ‘poseur’, which in itself is from the Old French ‘poser’, which was derived from Vulgar Latin.

That its use is widespread enough to justify inclusion in the English dictionary does not change the fact that it is a loanword.

Fifi0000 · 13/03/2023 13:25

I think there's a bit of resistance to American words and it seems to be infiltrating more. My DD watches American YouTubers and says things like shopping cart , sidewalk and other stuff. I have to correct her all the time.

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 13:25

whumpthereitis · 13/03/2023 13:16

Lol, I don’t require you to ‘buy it’. Whether you accept it or not has zero bearing on the fact that it’s true. Of course they’re immersed in American slang, by virtue of consuming media.

Watching American tv is not being immersed in it. I have a brother who has actually lived in the Deep South for more than 15 years. His spouse and children all speak with southern American accents. I am yet to hear him say y’all, and he actually lives there. As children myself and many other children here in N. Ireland were sent to the USA during the summer time to stay with American families who kindly took us in. There was always maybe one child out of 100 who came back after 6 weeks talking with an American accent and claiming they didn’t even realise they were doing it. Of course they did, it’s called attention seeking. If a ten year old knows this, so does an adult.

SleepingStandingUp · 13/03/2023 13:27

iminvestednow · 13/03/2023 01:21

It’s an odd saying for a British person and I think the majority of posters are from the uk. We have RP for a reason. If I speak in an RP accent 99% of the population will understand what I’m saying. If I speak with regional words I’m restricting myself to only being understood by a few.

y’all is lazy speech, would you talk like that in a work meeting?

Well you're making an assumption a out where people work for a start. But also, people come on here and post about their husbands being arseholes, their mother in laws being bitches, what they don't like about how their partner masturbates, they're derogatory about people who do or don't own toilet brushed etc. Do you think they all talk like that at work? Is that the standards we're aiming for? If you wouldn't say it to a CEO, don't post it on mumsnet?

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 13/03/2023 13:27

@LadyWindermeresOnlyFans I'm glad you tagged me here because I think your username is brilliant but I couldn't say that on the thread where I first saw it (which was Highly Serious) 👏

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 13/03/2023 13:29

@LemonJuiceFromConcentrate Grin

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 13:30

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 13/03/2023 13:16

@Eyerollcentral because you seem really angry about this one bit of language, telling people that words should only be used in extremely serious and precise ways, but your own posting style is littered with grammatical errors and colloquialisms (none of which i have a problem with, but I'm not telling people I'm better than them, words-wise). It just seems strange to me, that's all. Meh. Le shrug. U do u bbz

I’m not angry at all. I think it’s ridiculous and laughable that some adults are so silly really. Yes I don’t apply my usual grammatical rigour to posting on this site. But of course words are serious and their meanings are precise, do you disagree with that?

MissingMoominMamma · 13/03/2023 13:32

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 12:52

Lol! Any English or dare I say Irish person using USA slang without irony deserves the ridicule their behaviour invites.

I’d rather use y’all than lol!!

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 13:32

whumpthereitis · 13/03/2023 13:24

It was, is, a loan word from the French language. From the French word ‘poseur’, which in itself is from the Old French ‘poser’, which was derived from Vulgar Latin.

That its use is widespread enough to justify inclusion in the English dictionary does not change the fact that it is a loanword.

That was quick a rapid bit of googling. I said the word was derived from the French. It’s still an English word though. Do you think the vulgar romans would be laughing at me too?

NeverApologiseNeverExplain · 13/03/2023 13:32

DS (aged 6) tends to say "anyways" instead of "anyway", picked up from Americans on You Tube.

I've explained to him that we say "anyway" in the UK (whole family is British and we live in London).

Should I just let him crack on?

BlessYourHeartHoney · 13/03/2023 13:33

No, I do think I am far superior to someone who says y’all despite being from Dudley.

Oh lordie...You have no idea how ironic you come across with your posts but really, I'll leave y'all to your inferiority-superiority complex, then. Bless your heart.

Sagealicious · 13/03/2023 13:33

If anyone's bothered by the use of "y'all" you should come and see how much us Aussies have buggered up the English language! Your blood pressure will rise!

whumpthereitis · 13/03/2023 13:33

Eyerollcentral · 13/03/2023 13:25

Watching American tv is not being immersed in it. I have a brother who has actually lived in the Deep South for more than 15 years. His spouse and children all speak with southern American accents. I am yet to hear him say y’all, and he actually lives there. As children myself and many other children here in N. Ireland were sent to the USA during the summer time to stay with American families who kindly took us in. There was always maybe one child out of 100 who came back after 6 weeks talking with an American accent and claiming they didn’t even realise they were doing it. Of course they did, it’s called attention seeking. If a ten year old knows this, so does an adult.

Exposure to American speech has an influence on the speech of those consuming it. Those consuming it will in turn have an influence on those around them, and so on and so forth. Again, entirely normal.

That your brother doesn’t use ‘y’all’ means…what, exactly? I haven’t claimed that everyone will naturally take on the dialect of their environment (indeed, some may consciously resist it), but that a significant number will.

MissingMoominMamma · 13/03/2023 13:33

TrombonesAreNotBones · 13/03/2023 09:02

Goodread1 · Today 03:34
I do prefer the beautiful English language not to be linguistic be Murdered

I know we are not here to point and laugh, yet here I am , pointing and laughing. Grin

Muprhy's Law strikes again. Look it up.

I’m howling. Fancy correcting a typo… with a typo 😂

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