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Triggering, but would we get warning if there was a Nuclear attack?

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shineanight · 09/03/2023 07:19

Or would we not?

I thought there was about 5-6 minutes I'm sure I read somewhere, from when officials know it'll happen to when it hits

Would we be warned via breaking news? Or would everyone just lose control, including news reporters, and make a run for it in blind panic?

Always wondered. Completely hypothetical obviously as almost 0 change of ever happening

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Dalekjastninerels · 09/03/2023 10:35

I wouldn't want to be warned; I would want to die straight away; not end up in a post nuclear shithole.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 09/03/2023 10:35

I don't know if I would want a warning. 5 minutes isn't long enough for me to collect my DD from nursery.

Dalekjastninerels · 09/03/2023 10:36

I think death is like being in a permanent deep sleep; so maybe that skews my view.

I still stand by it.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 09/03/2023 10:38

I guess if we get a 4 minute warning we could all listen to that rubbish Mark Owen song of the same name 😂😂😂

Although according to my music app, it's 4.05 so we might miss the end! Never mind!

Ah well, I could sprint to DDs school in 2 minutes (although so could a lot of parents so there might be a crowd of us) and hopefully get to her in time for hugs.

QuertyGirl · 09/03/2023 10:38

RainbowBrightside · 09/03/2023 07:51

Read Children of the Dust. That’ll tell you all you need to know about whether it’s best to survive the initial blast or whether it’s best to just die straight away. Might be a book for teenagers but it’s still extremely enlightening.

Oh I loved that book!

Dalekjastninerels · 09/03/2023 10:38

Seasonofthewitch83 · 09/03/2023 10:35

I don't know if I would want a warning. 5 minutes isn't long enough for me to collect my DD from nursery.

Yes; a five minute warning is uselessSad

All we can hope is that we die quickly; living will bring pain and sufffering.

hilbil21 · 09/03/2023 10:40

AffIt · 09/03/2023 09:10

I love about 40 miles away from Faslane.

The one good thing about a nuclear strike is that I'd be a shadow in the ground before I even had time to think.

I live in Helensburgh, 6 miles away. I would be obliterated pretty rapidly!

Theglowofcandles · 09/03/2023 10:42

Back in January 2018 there was an alert sent to everyone in hawaii that a ballistic missile was inbound. It was sent out by accident. They were sent texts, there was radio and TV alerts and sirens sounding.

If you put into youtube hawaii january 13 2018 there's quite a few videos.

Jim Carrey was there, he has spoken about the moment he was told. The video is on YouTube.

Tbh being told in advance wouldn't change the outcome but I think it would give people time, albeit not very much time, to possibly get to their families.

QuertyGirl · 09/03/2023 10:43

I don't think this gov would be capable of warning us or doing anything at all.

They might put a press release on Twitter blaming Labour or people in boats, but that would be the total sum of their actions.

NotInTheKnowIKnow · 09/03/2023 10:43

NotQuiteUsual · 09/03/2023 09:37

I have spent a bit of time thinking about it. I'd close the blinds in the classroom. Get the biscuits and juice out. Let the kids mix the playdough up and let them use the messy stuff in the home corner for once. Indulge the kids that still like hugs and being carried. Just have a few lovely and joyful minutes with them. I think that's most school staffs plan. I hope my kids teachers would do the same!

In floods of tears now. I hope my DCs teachers think the same.
Thank You ❤️

ginghamstarfish · 09/03/2023 10:45

I would imagine the public would certainly not be alerted, what would be the point even in there was time to do anything? Mass panic, riots etc would ensue. Although politicians, wealthy people etc would probably get the warning to go off to their bunkers.

ginghamstarfish · 09/03/2023 10:47

I love this type of end-of-the-world films, but have often thought when it comes to seeing the bunker/lifeboat scenes at the end, filled with politicians, Russian oligarchs and Arab oil tycoons, who the fuck would WANT to survive if that was the population you'd be left with?

Cassiehopes · 09/03/2023 10:47

Branster · 09/03/2023 07:27

No idea but why would this question be in any way 'triggering'???

Is it not obvious why this might be triggering for someone with certain MH conditions? I have anxiety and OCD and while this exact situation doesn’t affect me, very similar would send me into a complete downward spiral.

Murraydeservedit · 09/03/2023 10:47

ginghamstarfish · 09/03/2023 10:45

I would imagine the public would certainly not be alerted, what would be the point even in there was time to do anything? Mass panic, riots etc would ensue. Although politicians, wealthy people etc would probably get the warning to go off to their bunkers.

Yes, I would imagine it’s like the film ‘Greenland’ where all the important people get their texts to be at a certain place to evacuate to a shelter.

Just make sure you haven’t got all your neighbours round at the time so no one can think you are a right bastard as you drive off.

Murraydeservedit · 09/03/2023 10:49

ginghamstarfish · 09/03/2023 10:47

I love this type of end-of-the-world films, but have often thought when it comes to seeing the bunker/lifeboat scenes at the end, filled with politicians, Russian oligarchs and Arab oil tycoons, who the fuck would WANT to survive if that was the population you'd be left with?

Imagine if space was short and you ended up bunk mates with at Tory.

You’d end up taking your changes in the nuclear wilderness.

Vanillaradio · 09/03/2023 10:53

I'd rather not know. I live 3 minutes walk from ds's school but I even if I ran there I doubt they'd let me in as they'd have better things to do in the circumstances. I'd probably spend my last minutes on earth trying to scramble over the fence in a panic to get to him.

thenightsky · 09/03/2023 11:01

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 09/03/2023 10:15

Jumbo, vastly overpowered weapons, like the 50MT Tsar Bomba were invented & tested before there were precise, GPS guided missile navigation systems. Nukes were designed to be physically dropped by plane (like the Tsar test), and were big because you couldn’t guarantee if they’d get their target, so bigger boom = more chance you’d obliterate your intended target.

Unfortunately, a lot of maps in the mainstream press use sites like NukeMap, where you can choose your yield and it up to the Tsar Bomba size (or above to the original 100MT Tsar Bomba yield, the Russians ‘dialed back’ to 50MT on the test bomb) because it makes for a more impressive map to scaremonger the public! There were 2 Tsars made, one went boom & one’s in a museum (minus the boom-y bit, obviously).

Modern weapons are smaller, in the kiloton to single digit megaton range. Satellite navigation & modern guidance systems mean you can hit the target with a greater guarantee, and since each weapon costs bloody millions to design, maintain, produce the plutonium fission component (which sets off the fusion, or thermonuclear bigger bang), keep replacing the fusion core due to the short half life of the isotopes you need, storage, submarine costs (all UK Trident nukes are on the V series of subs, we don’t deploy via air or land based missile), security… why make them bigger than you need?

Since Russia (and the UK, US, possibly France) deploy using subs as part of their defence, there’s a chance we won’t even get that 4 minutes. Combatant subs in the North Sea, the missiles would be over target before the bods at RAF Fylingdales (our detection dudes) have put the kettle on.

As PPs have said before, it all depends on air bursts or ground bursts (generally ground = fallout), weapon yield, area of detonation. If you had food, water, good shelter, and each nuke was an air burst, there’s a good chance if you aren’t in the blast overpressure & firestorm range then you’d be grand, could come out of your shelter after a couple of weeks, safe & alive.

But the real question you need to ask, would you want to?

In terms of a nuclear winter, a worldwide detonation of everyone’s stockpiles would cause a nuke winter, and that would probably be goodnight humanity. There have been thousands of nukes exploded in the names of weapons testing since 1945. Not defending any of the tests, nor stockpiles. but it’s worth knowing the facts. North Korea are happily testing the bloody things even now.

As for me, sod all that survival stuff. Years spend researching & studying (and campaigning against) the bloody things, if I survived I would probably envy the dead. I don’t know if that’s because I’m now a 50 year old fart with adult kids, or I know it’d be all so bloody bleak. I’d rather sit on the roof with a joint, a whiskey, and let it be the last thing I see as my eyeballs melt & I’m blown into the wind.

I’m a Nuke Nerd. Make power, not bombs!

Great post! Thank you.

KnittedCardi · 09/03/2023 11:02

Back in the seventies it was definitely planned for at local level. I was pretty young, but my Dad was in local government at the time, senior management, and he had all the plans, and would have had to leave us. I believe they did have a bunker of sorts at the local council offices.

MeinKraft · 09/03/2023 11:17

Vanillaradio · 09/03/2023 10:53

I'd rather not know. I live 3 minutes walk from ds's school but I even if I ran there I doubt they'd let me in as they'd have better things to do in the circumstances. I'd probably spend my last minutes on earth trying to scramble over the fence in a panic to get to him.

That lovely teacher upthread would be cuddling the kids and having a play doh session and hysterical parents would be battering the windows down Confused

Murraydeservedit · 09/03/2023 11:19

MeinKraft · 09/03/2023 11:17

That lovely teacher upthread would be cuddling the kids and having a play doh session and hysterical parents would be battering the windows down Confused

I’m sure most parents would walk over hot coals to be with their children if something like an nuclear attack was imminent.

My instinct to be with and protect my child (even from something I couldn’t protect them from), would override everything.

I’m sure that’s the same for most.

shineanight · 09/03/2023 11:30

QueefQueen80s · 09/03/2023 09:25

I don't want to be warned, how horrific! Ignorance is bliss. I want it to be instant.

But even if you aren't warned, it won't be 'instant'

You'll feel something coming

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JunkinDonuts · 09/03/2023 11:31

Murraydeservedit · 09/03/2023 10:16

Neat vodka would hit faster. I’ve got a bottle at the back of the cupboard somewhere, I’ll be grand.

Sod it, I'll just chug down DH bottle of 30 yr old single malt.
It's not like we'll spend the day rowing about it.

fairylies · 09/03/2023 11:33

@Murraydeservedit and make sure you don't show your wristbands as well

Murraydeservedit · 09/03/2023 11:34

fairylies · 09/03/2023 11:33

@Murraydeservedit and make sure you don't show your wristbands as well

I was shouting at the TV a few times watching it, and yes, that was one of them! I’d have kept mine well hidden!

shineanight · 09/03/2023 11:36

It may prevent some people reading it. I haven’t a clue. I’m not ‘triggered’. I think the OP wanted to be kind and try to do the right thing. I really don’t think it needs a deep level of analysis or for people to be pedantic.

Yep. Exactly.

I'm a paranoid schizophrenic, not currently unwell thanks to medication. If I was, a thread like this without warning could really be harmful to me. It doesn't take much out of my day to simply write 'triggering', because for some people it really is

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